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Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Doesnt this mean that somewhere, buried deep in a a database, someone can run a query to see who had the IP address on that day, and assuming it is a private residence there is at least a chance that is SN?

Yeah but leaking such data from an ISP would be considered illegal.

Why would that be illegal? Data like this is bought and sold daily.

(Not condoning this, but privacy laws in the US are pretty weak)

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nick Szabo has been potentially mentioned as Satoshi for sometime [1] due to him working on decentralized currencies since 1998 with Bit Gold [2]. Elon Musk mentioned Nick Szabo on Lex Fridman's podcast as Szabo was also doing Bit Gold prior and is heavy into crypto and currencies. [3] > "Obviously I don't know who created bitcoin ... it seems as though Nick Szabo is probably more than anyone else responsible for the…

Is there a theory for why Nick Szabo would be public about Bit Gold but go to great efforts to hide himself when creating Bitcoin? It seems unlikely to me that someone who previously had no issue being public would suddenly be so secretive, especially given how unlikely it was for Bitcoin to turn out the way it did.

Bit Gold was maybe to test out interest, then when the real one was made it would be more anonymous. If you think about it, bitcoin being anonymous is a feature as it makes it seem less centralized eventhough Satoshi owns a large chunk of it. Today companies or individuals will control a large chunk of other coins/platforms and it feels more centralized or even autocratic. At any time those big fish could wreak havoc. Satoshi seems more hands off.

Another potential reason is the money it would generate and the recognition would attract too much attention. The successful decentralized currency like bitcoin might have been foreseen as a threat to the creator after it takes off and gains in value.

From the wiki on Nick Szabo, he is more 'reclusive' and not wanting to be known. On his blog he mentioned his intent on creating a live version of the currency as Bit Gold was more of a prototype/demo and was never launched. Even the name Bit Gold and bitcoin are very similar as is the name Nicholas Szabo (N.S.) and Satoshi Nakamoto (S.N.) in a few ways. Satoshi Nakamoto always seems like a purposeful shroud of a name, looking for someone by that name is probably not going to find them:

> Nathaniel Popper wrote in The New York Times that "the most convincing evidence pointed to a reclusive American man of Hungarian descent named Nick Szabo." In 2008, prior to the release of bitcoin, Szabo wrote a comment on his blog about the intent of creating a live version of his hypothetical currency. [1]

Hal Finney was the first to receive 10 bitcoins from Satoshi Nakamoto [2]. Hal Finney was the next employee after Phil Zimmermann at PGP. So he knew the potential for being pursued by governments for software creations. Hal, who died in 2014 unfortunately, probably knew Satoshi and would have known he was shrouding/anonymous for good reasons as seen in the PGP history just before that and around the same time bit gold was being created.

The very likely people to be Satoshi Nakamoto are Nick Szabo and Hal Finney due to the early interactions and transactions, and potentially Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto, but that seems unlikely they would use their real name [3]. Maybe it was all three or someone else entirely, these guys are just around the early days and some of the first transactions. Either that or someone or some group saw the need for decentralized currency from their efforts and then front ran them and made it seem more like them to help shroud themselves.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Szabo#Satoshi_Nakamoto_sp...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(computer_scientist...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto#Possible_iden...

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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If you want to find out who Satoshi is follow the money. How he, she or they bought bitcoin.org domain and bitcoin.org hosting? Cash in mail, credit card or bank transfer. All things that are tracked and recorded somewhere in someone's database or archive.

How is cash in mail recorded?

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Elon Musk mentioned Nick Szabo on Lex Fridman's podcast as Szabo was also doing Bit Gold prior and is heavy into crypto and currencies. [3] >> "Obviously I don't know who created bitcoin ... it seems as though Nick Szabo is probably more than anyone else responsible for the evolution of those ideas," said Musk, adding, "he claims not to be Nakamoto ... but he seems to be the one more responsible for the ideas behin…

He was one of the creators of PayPal, so digital money is his field. If you read the quote carefully, he is also not speculating on Nakamoto. Elon instead states that Nick Szabo contributed to the ideas behind cryptocurrencies. This generally is not disputed.

> He was one of the creators of PayPal, so digital money is his field.

He was one of four people listed as founders of X.com, which merged with Confinity, which changed its name to PayPal where he was fired as CEO; PayPal was then purchased by EBay, whereupon Musk took a big payday.

Judging by his involvement with Tesla Motors Inc -- he became chairman and CEO by investing 6.5 million into the existing company; a lawsuit brought by an incorporating founder resulted in an agreement whereby Musk and four others can call themselves founders -- makes me wonder what his contribution to X.com actually was.

Whatever else he may be, he's an extraordinarily good investor.

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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If you want to find out who Satoshi is follow the money. How he, she or they bought bitcoin.org domain and bitcoin.org hosting? Cash in mail, credit card or bank transfer. All things that are tracked and recorded somewhere in someone's database or archive.

How is cash in mail recorded?

You send it via courier company and after 2001 you can bet they are tracking and recording it.

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Does the blockchain log the miner's IP addresses? That's why I don't like to mine on my local network

No, it does not. Transactions also do not contain IP addresses. Some chain explorer will track 'first seen IP', eg: the first IP that relayed the transaction, but this does not mean the sender. Same deal with blocks -- you can see the IP sent your peer the block, but not the IP that created it, which may or may not be the same. With Dandelion routing, you can mask the sender IP behind multiple other relaying nodes. h…

Even if the blockchain does not, I think that someone could if they pay attention.

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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It's Nick Szabo. He uses his initials for his Pseudonyms (N.S) Nakamoto Satoshi = Bitcoin Nicolas Saberhagen = Monero

It was in fact, Len Sassaman.

From anonymous remailers and his penchant for anonymously released work back in the mailing lists, to MojoNetwork with Bram. His British spelling, his time zone abroad when working in academia and posting online. His circle. Before he committed suicide due to his neurological issues and loss of passion for life, Satoshi last said

“I’ve moved on to other things and probably won’t be around in the future.”

He kept this secret even from his own wife. Alas, I hate to post this here just like this but it's my belief that it's an open secret. Only those close enough to suspect and know his pathology venture the guess. His wish is to have the work carried on nameless and to speak for itself. He hated notoriety for notoriety sake. I feel disrespectful even posting this, but it was not fucking Nick Szabo.

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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"In the Jan of 2009 when Hal and Satoshi were working on Bitcoin Alpha version, Hal encountered an error with the software and he posted the debug log to the mailing list." The "dox" assumes that only three people were using Bitcoin at the time, and thus one of them must be Satoshi. That's a bad assumption, as Bitcoin was publicly available at that time, and was announced on the public cryptography mailing list, and…

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Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it does not. Transactions also do not contain IP addresses. Some chain explorer will track 'first seen IP', eg: the first IP that relayed the transaction, but this does not mean the sender. Same deal with blocks -- you can see the IP sent your peer the block, but not the IP that created it, which may or may not be the same. With Dandelion routing, you can mask the sender IP behind multiple other relaying nodes. h…

Even if the blockchain does not, I think that someone could if they pay attention.

That is where Dandelion routing and anonymity networks comes in.

A global passive observer could track cleartext transaction hashes and flag the first IP seen broadcasting them. Bitcoin peer-to-peer CAN support Tor for transaction routing. Monero blockchain can use I2P to hide transaction source also.

_Most_ adversaries do not have such visibility over global internet flows.

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