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Re: Why Web3?

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Global finance will eventually be eclipsed by large-scale economic planning systems. It will probably take a couple decades for finance to go the way of alchemy, but the signs of its irrelevance are there: hilarious schemes like SPACs, DeFi, NFTs. Totally divorced from the underlying economics.

Interesting take. I’m not sure many would agree with you. Care to expand or point us somewhere where your ideas are expanded?

I'd be interested too. I've seen takes loosely along these lines before, but my familiarity is pretty shallow and I don't remember specific sources. There's a line of thought that traditional pro-capitalism analysis of the "economic calculation problem" would tell us that a massive corporate retailer like Walmart should be mired in inefficiency compared to retailers with more localized authority (e.g. regional or franchised chains). Since that's not what we see, something must be missing from the analysis. For example, some have proposed that technological advancements (in fields including telecommunications, logistics, and accounting) have made centralization radically cheaper and more effective since the 1980s or so.

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> Decentralized trust could be great, but I wonder how much time actually needs to be spent talking about it vs. actually building it... And the order of operations. Traditionally, you build something great (or an MVP) and market it. The crypto community has been putting the marketing before the building. It's probably uncontroversial to say although cryptocurrency -could- do great things, right now the bulk of trade…

The crypto community does what every startup should do. They find the customers before they start building i.e. they build community first and in effect build products. To say that things aren't being build in the crypto community is simply flat out false. It's one of the fastest developing industries and more and more talent are leaving their previous jobs or industries.

Talent is pouring in because free money is gushing out from the mother of all bubbles. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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I think the argument made implicitly is that with web3 you could actually monetize your contribution. If you run an IRC server you (usually) only have cost. One part of web3 is tokens so you can actually earn some fake money by running an IRC server. I think if you look at the economics of that though I don't think it will turn out in your favor. You are either making 10ct a month from it or you'll have to heavily in…

I remember so much of the time I spent on IRC and XMPP overlapped with the period in my life when I had the fewest financial resources. It would have been net negative for me if the popular chat spaces had been accompanied by any kind of toll.

Big plus to this point. The idea behind web3 seems to be "the web, but everything is an attempt to gauge people for money now".

How is that better? Who asked for more money to be involved everywhere? I just want an open space to hang out with people and share ideas and data, I don't want everything to become a gated community.

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Wouldn't the author be different if you just minted a copy? So if the original is from a trust/known entity (like an IRL company or suitably famous artist) this doesn't work. The list of trusted entities could be centralized, crowd-sourced, hand-managed, or anything else; let people decide who they trust to make those determinations and let them switch between them at will.

> Wouldn't the author be different if you just minted a copy? The problem being described above is the possibility of the trusted author minting multiple digital signature NFTs for the same content. A reseller can't create a copy because they can't sign a message conferring ownership from the trusted source without their private key.

But at least you can check the blockchain for all the content the author has created.

Re: Why Web3?

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I don't like how the extreme hatred toward Web3 has spiraled into "I see no practical application for decentralization". Crypto and blockchain aside, how can you not see the utility in an open firehose database/API without gate keepers? Don't conflate decentralization with blockchain.

Because the only reason I can imagine someone wanting a open database without gate keepers is for something the society I've aligned with has decided is illegal. At the end of the day, I guess I trust the goverment I vote for and the banks I decide on more than a distributed group of strangers. Do you have an example of a DB that was unfairly limited by a gate keeper?

Facebook, Twitter or any walled garden. I can't build any app I want on top of those without risking it being limited, restricted or shut down... If they even provide an API at all.

Re: Why Web3?

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> Frankly, it is all too much for me. Same. I've been actively unfollowing people on Twitter every day to clean my feeds of it. I'm not anti-web3 or anti-crypto, but I definitely don't need to read the same rhetoric from 100 people a day. Decentralized trust could be great, but I wonder how much time actually needs to be spent talking about it vs. actually building it...

Web3 is federated, not decentralized. The distinction is significant.

Can you give a specific definition of federated in this context? To me, federated means that autonomous entities can talk to each other if they agree on a protocol. E.g. making a phone call between different carriers, or, uhh, the internet.

Re: Why Web3?

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> Frankly, it is all too much for me. Same. I've been actively unfollowing people on Twitter every day to clean my feeds of it. I'm not anti-web3 or anti-crypto, but I definitely don't need to read the same rhetoric from 100 people a day. Decentralized trust could be great, but I wonder how much time actually needs to be spent talking about it vs. actually building it...

> Decentralized trust could be great, but I wonder how much time actually needs to be spent talking about it vs. actually building it... And the order of operations. Traditionally, you build something great (or an MVP) and market it. The crypto community has been putting the marketing before the building. It's probably uncontroversial to say although cryptocurrency -could- do great things, right now the bulk of trade…

The reason you see this is that the entire “web3” landscape is controlled by VCs. Also the underlying infra this stuff is running on isn’t very decentralized at all and with proof of stake it likely never will be.

If you want true decentralization you’re going to need a combination of Bitcoin/Lightning Network/side chains to recreate a lot of what has been built out on other more centralized platforms. But VCs don’t want to fund this because there’s way less potential upside for them.

Re: Why Web3?

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Build something! All this talking makes me suspect this just to increase the hype around and price of various crypto currencies.

Re: Why Web3?

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There's an easy counter to "I see no practical application for decentralization," which is to provide an example of that application. I'm not convinced that Bitcoin or currencies are a practical application that results in net gain (economic or otherwise) to humanity. The internet was obvious from day 1, even if the actual end applications ended up quite a bit different. > how can you not see the utility in an open f…

The gate keepers are preventing me from building the kind of apps I want. Just the other day people here reminisced about the days when Twitter used to have an open API and how bad it is that they shut it down. I want to build apps without having to worry about ever being restricted, limited or shut down.

I was thinking about this, not sure if entirely the same.

For example the YT dislikes going away. What if you got people to install a chrome extension where it tracked urls with upvotes/downvotes (game system). The database is shared between installed apps no central db... would it work?

I could be far off with the intent of the application but another example is mesh networking where it is nice to not have a central pipe but is it going to be as good, particularly the case of cross continent.

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