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Re: Why Web3?

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I don't like how the extreme hatred toward Web3 has spiraled into "I see no practical application for decentralization". Crypto and blockchain aside, how can you not see the utility in an open firehose database/API without gate keepers? Don't conflate decentralization with blockchain.

The issue is that decentralization is orthogonal to the supposed problems to be solved.

Re: Why Web3?

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One company controls the specification and reference implementation. These gimmicks tend to be "open" so contributions can flow in from anywhere, but the company has full priority and benefits by controlling the pace and final result. Outsider contributions are submitted publicly, while features developed by the company start in secret and can remain secret as long as possible. The company's contributions are rammed…

Except all these things can be trivially forked. If you don't like how the VC one is doing things, just fork it. There are a billion forks of everything in the crypto space, for exactly this reason.

It’s easy to fork the code but not the user base.

Re: Why Web3?

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The value prop here is the “without a third party” bit I presume? That seems more like a political or ethical preference rather than true value. Email allowed you to instantly and perfectly send a message anywhere at any time, and you could cut down on machine and paper/ink costs. Genuine value. Ironically, the crypto way of doing transactions is more like the fax machine to Venmo’s email. The former is slow and more…

If you compare email to snailmail, the same argument could be made. That it's over the internet is just a preference, why care about email when normal mail works perfectly fine? "Without a single 3rd party" is a technical feature, one that allows people to transfer money anywhere, for any reason via any device connected to the internet, without having to open up a bank account. According to the last numbers I've read…

"If you compare email to snailmail, the same argument could be made. That it's over the internet is just a preference, why care about email when normal mail works perfectly fine?"

This is nonsense. Email is orders of magnitude cheaper and faster than snail mail. Talk to any business owner who made the switch from physically mailing bills to emailing their clients invoices and ask them how much time and money they saved. The value proposition for email is obvious.

Re: Why Web3?

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You can send two of those assignment signatures to two different parties simultaneously. Is there a way in your system to avoid the double send?

You can do the same thing with blockchain NFTs, just mint another blockchain NFT with the same content. You can say "well, the NFT that was minted first is the true original" but the same is true of the "double sent" digital signature NFT, one will be dated more recently than the other, which affords one identical guarantees of authenticity to the blockchain NFT.

Wouldn't the author be different if you just minted a copy? So if the original is from a trust/known entity (like an IRL company or suitably famous artist) this doesn't work. The list of trusted entities could be centralized, crowd-sourced, hand-managed, or anything else; let people decide who they trust to make those determinations and let them switch between them at will.

Re: Why Web3?

#136

In fiction, Hiro Protagonist got in early and bought some prime real-estate in the metaverse. Many IRL did the same with Bitcoin and made a killing. If you think all the lucrative web2 properties have already been claimed, then it makes sense to create virgin territory in web3 and stake a claim.

Hiro delivered pizzas and lived in a storage unit with a roommate. His metaverse "wealth" was essentially worthless to him in real life. Real-life real estate is valuable because they're not making more land. Virtual real estate does not have that limitation.

(Also IIRC he helped create the Metaverse, he didn't simply buy in early.)

Re: Why Web3?

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Could you explain that business model?

One company controls the specification and reference implementation. These gimmicks tend to be "open" so contributions can flow in from anywhere, but the company has full priority and benefits by controlling the pace and final result. Outsider contributions are submitted publicly, while features developed by the company start in secret and can remain secret as long as possible. The company's contributions are rammed…

>One company controls the specification and reference implementation. These gimmicks tend to be "open" so contributions can flow in from anywhere, but the company has full priority and benefits by controlling the pace and final result.

Google Chrome for example

Re: Why Web3?

#138

> Frankly, it is all too much for me. Same. I've been actively unfollowing people on Twitter every day to clean my feeds of it. I'm not anti-web3 or anti-crypto, but I definitely don't need to read the same rhetoric from 100 people a day. Decentralized trust could be great, but I wonder how much time actually needs to be spent talking about it vs. actually building it...

Same.

I actually see a lot of comparison with the "firehose of falsehoods", which is a known propaganda technique.

I'm actually worried about people picking it up and getting suckered in without knowing anything on the technical side.

Re: Why Web3?

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The value prop here is the “without a third party” bit I presume? That seems more like a political or ethical preference rather than true value. Email allowed you to instantly and perfectly send a message anywhere at any time, and you could cut down on machine and paper/ink costs. Genuine value. Ironically, the crypto way of doing transactions is more like the fax machine to Venmo’s email. The former is slow and more…

If you compare email to snailmail, the same argument could be made. That it's over the internet is just a preference, why care about email when normal mail works perfectly fine? "Without a single 3rd party" is a technical feature, one that allows people to transfer money anywhere, for any reason via any device connected to the internet, without having to open up a bank account. According to the last numbers I've read…

If you ask "why care about email when normal mail works just as fine" then "because you always get it quicker" is a much better answer for "well there are edge cases where an unbanked person might actually have access to a local cryptocurrency speculator offering them spendable cash for less commission than Western Union or the local hawala service"

Re: Why Web3?

#140

> Frankly, it is all too much for me. Same. I've been actively unfollowing people on Twitter every day to clean my feeds of it. I'm not anti-web3 or anti-crypto, but I definitely don't need to read the same rhetoric from 100 people a day. Decentralized trust could be great, but I wonder how much time actually needs to be spent talking about it vs. actually building it...

I do keep wondering if it's worth being first on the scene with a new idea

People pushing image NFTs will likely be keen to promote anything that can ding an argument against the naysayers, especially if they're cryptographically compensated somehow (whatever the web3 version of affiliate links is, is it airdrops?)

Might be some free real estate to be had if anyone's got any png-less ideas

Side comment I do realise I probably come off super naive to people who have already learned all this. I am trying! I've not come across a less newcomer friendly community since I started tinkering with Linux 20 years ago haha. "You just don't understand" is almost as much a web3 catchphrase as wagmi

Admittedly Linux is now my sole non-mobile daily driver, maybe I'll get there with web3. Having had a tinker I do like the idea of the tech, I've just not had the "click" into how it's actually usable (for me) yet

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