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Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by georgieporgie »

socratic wrote: post #35

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS. Is there any reason that all reasonably well-run projects should not be using git? GitHub seems vastly superior to BitBucket, and git itself seems pretty much isomorphic to hg (albeit with worse syntax). (This ignores darcs, bzr, etc., but those never seemed terribly competitive for mindshare.) Furthermore, the network effects (with pull requests on Github, not havin…

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS.

Whenever I read a statement about popularity of technology, the first thing I do is check the job ratios:

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=cvs%2C+subversion%2C+git&#...

Git has been picking up speed, but Subversion seems to be (nearly) matching its growth. This makes me feel slightly less bad that all my personal projects are checked into Subversion on Dreamhost. :-)

Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by fragsworth »

georgieporgie wrote: post #51
socratic wrote: post #35

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS. Is there any reason that all reasonably well-run projects should not be using git? GitHub seems vastly superior to BitBucket, and git itself seems pretty much isomorphic to hg (albeit with worse syntax). (This ignores darcs, bzr, etc., but those never seemed terribly competitive for mindshare.) Furthermore, the network effects (with pull requests on Github, not havin…

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS. Whenever I read a statement about popularity of technology, the first thing I do is check the job ratios: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=cvs%2C+subversion%2C+git&#... Git has been picking up speed, but Subversion seems to be (nearly) matching its growth. This makes me feel slightly less bad that all my personal projects are checked into Subversion on Dreamhost. :-…

To add further evidence toward your argument, consider also the alternative name, "svn":

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=cvs%2C+subversion%2C+svn%2...

The popularity would actually be the sum of both.

Re: PHP will switch to git

#53

Post by andrewflnr »

sho_hn wrote: post #25
andrewflnr wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And plain Git can do ACLs? I didn't know that.

I assume you already know this, i.e. the above was sarcasm, but: No, it can't. But since remote access to Git most commonly happens over SSH, ACLs can be implemented by additional tools which serve as the login shell and filter the git commands the client wants to run. The best such tool right now is gitolite, building on concepts established by gitosis. The GitHub-like open source web repo manager Gitorious also imp…

I was pretty sure, but I never know when I've missed some huge piece of functionality in a program. Thanks for the explanation.

Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by whacker »

fragsworth wrote: post #52
georgieporgie wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS. Whenever I read a statement about popularity of technology, the first thing I do is check the job ratios: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=cvs%2C+subversion%2C+git&#... Git has been picking up speed, but Subversion seems to be (nearly) matching its growth. This makes me feel slightly less bad that all my personal projects are checked into Subversion on Dreamhost. :-…

To add further evidence toward your argument, consider also the alternative name, "svn": http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=cvs%2C+subversion%2C+svn%2... The popularity would actually be the sum of both.

Not necessarily. Some entries might refer to both but be in the same entry. So the correct way to calculate totals would be `subversion + svn - (subersion and svn)`

Re: PHP will switch to git

#56

Post by armandososa »

skeptical wrote: post #27
d0m wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Git is simply great. It's fast, it's powerful, there's a very helpful community, it's integrated everywhere, there are well made and useful online repository (Yes Github, but others too), the list goes on and on. Yes, there are bazaar, mercurial and probably dozen of others, but there's also git. I'm not sure I get your point. I think what you don't like is that they chose to jump on git without real reason inst…

My point is rather simple: Everybody is jumping in the git/github bandwagen but the huge majority doesn't appear to be able to state practical advantage of git besides github popularity. That is my point. Not saying that there are no advantages, but heck, changing to something else because "it should be good, everyone else is doing it" is plain stupid... and very silly. And those are attributes we wouldn't want to we…

ever heard of the network effect?

Re: PHP will switch to git

#57

Post by zbowling »

jlogsdon wrote: post #46
brianmario wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder if they knew about GitHub Organizations? https://github.com/blog/674-introducing-organizations

This only provides repo level access control. They want ACL's to control down to the branch level.

Think certially and not distributed there :-)

This is handled in projects like the Linux kernel.

Could easily enough have the commitor push to a different repo than he pulls from. Then you could have person manually review pull his changes into manager (like Linus does with Linux).. or if you wanted some automation, have a script import his changes if they match a set of rules.

The other option is submodules.

Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by socratic »

digitallogic wrote: post #49
socratic wrote: post #35

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS. Is there any reason that all reasonably well-run projects should not be using git? GitHub seems vastly superior to BitBucket, and git itself seems pretty much isomorphic to hg (albeit with worse syntax). (This ignores darcs, bzr, etc., but those never seemed terribly competitive for mindshare.) Furthermore, the network effects (with pull requests on Github, not havin…

As someone who choose hg over git w/o reviewing bitbucket vs github, I'm curious what makes github superior. Can you elaborate?

It is difficult to answer your question without knowing your purposes and goals. What aspects do you think would make a quality version control host?

For me, the primary issue is size.

A large number of people use Github. This means that social features like networks of forks of repositories and pull requests are substantially more compelling. This also means that many related websites (bug trackers, project managers) have Github integration. Further, it makes much more sense to design custom desktop apps for Github because it is what everyone uses. Lastly, the more people are familiar with Github, the easier it becomes to suggest it for a project or to contribute to a random Github-based project.

The APIs, UI, and general flow of Github are competently designed, but I do not think these are necessarily the core of its success. (I do believe these parts of Github, however, to be better than the competition.)

Ultimately, Github is in a unique position because of its (and git's) popularity. Social features that would not work on other sites work on Github. I am sure that the developers and designers of, e.g., BitBucket and Google Code are smart people, but without users they feel a little like ghost towns.

This is odd, because I had thought of VCS hosting as very much a commodity before Github.

Re: PHP will switch to git

#59

Post by socratic »

georgieporgie wrote: post #51
socratic wrote: post #35

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS. Is there any reason that all reasonably well-run projects should not be using git? GitHub seems vastly superior to BitBucket, and git itself seems pretty much isomorphic to hg (albeit with worse syntax). (This ignores darcs, bzr, etc., but those never seemed terribly competitive for mindshare.) Furthermore, the network effects (with pull requests on Github, not havin…

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS. Whenever I read a statement about popularity of technology, the first thing I do is check the job ratios: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=cvs%2C+subversion%2C+git&#... Git has been picking up speed, but Subversion seems to be (nearly) matching its growth. This makes me feel slightly less bad that all my personal projects are checked into Subversion on Dreamhost. :-…

You present an interesting tool for settling such debates. However, I believe the more appropriate URL would be:

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=git%2C+hg%2C+mercurial%2C+...

Obviously, cvs and svn will be with us for some time still, but those are not distributed version control systems (DVCS).

However, you raise a good question: is distributed version control so much better than centralized version control that we will all eventually be using a DVCS? Or are cvs and svn so much easier to understand for new and/or low quality developers that cvs, svn, and others will be with us forever?

Re: PHP will switch to git

#60

Post by praptak »

beaumartinez wrote: post #17

The votes are a stark contrast to those of the core Python developers when they were voting on which DVCS to migrate to[1]—although understandably they favoured Mercurial, they disfavoured git. (Bazaar got a good share of votes as well.) The victor's margin was much smaller. This was all early-2009, though. I wonder if git's increasing popularity has swayed the core PHP developers? [1] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/…

Mercurial is written in Python - as a Python developer I can attest to the phenomenon of Python developers preferring software written in Python. Part of this is rational, part of this is pure "my tribe" bias (by the way, I use and like git, don't know Mercurial at all.)

PHP developers are less likely to be affected by that.

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