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Hong Kong pro-democracy Stand News shuts down after police raid, arrests
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#12>"The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties"
"The West" had long realized that the might makes right. Once country has achieve certain level of power the only thing that makes those to adhere to some treaty is their mutual willingness. If country does not see any it can and will ignore it. There is no abstract enforcer up above that can make parties of that level stick to the agreement.
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#13This is yet another violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the treaty between China and the U.K. defining how Hong Kong will be handed over to China[1]: > Hong Kong would maintain its existing governing and economic systems separate from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems". The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
Exactly how is this a breach of the agreement? Formally this is done by the HK government/police. Is a breach of the general principle of two systems, or is there a more specific clause that is breached?
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#14This is yet another violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the treaty between China and the U.K. defining how Hong Kong will be handed over to China[1]: > Hong Kong would maintain its existing governing and economic systems separate from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems". The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
> The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties
Does any major power?
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#1515-20 years ago I naively thought that many of the Big Tech companies would stand against this type of censorship. Sadly I was wrong and didn’t understand how important it was to have access to the Chinese market and the importance of China’s low-cost manufacturing for these companies as well. Today, the Big Tech companies might not actively support this kind of censorship, but they aren’t aggressively working agains…
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#17This is yet another violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the treaty between China and the U.K. defining how Hong Kong will be handed over to China[1]: > Hong Kong would maintain its existing governing and economic systems separate from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems". The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
The big loophole is the provision for China's intervention in matters of "National Security".
This is exactly what has been used to craft very vague language that basically allows authorities to treat anything that goes counter to China's official line as a "threat to National Security".
It's so vague that self-censorship is now omnipresent in what was, just a few years ago, a bastion of freedom of speech in Asia. Newspaper and political figures are afraid of being targetted for their perceived dissent, and there is no real recourse, with pressure on judges to fall in line.
It is a farce of course, but there will be no international action. The British have no recourse to enforce the treaty. China will invade HK with tanks before they release their tightening grip on it, and the world will watch and do nothing of course.
It's not just democracy that is under threat in HK. There never was any to start with. It's plain freedom of speech that is under threat.
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#18This is yet another violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the treaty between China and the U.K. defining how Hong Kong will be handed over to China[1]: > Hong Kong would maintain its existing governing and economic systems separate from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems". The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
The big loophole is the provision for China's intervention in matters of "National Security". This is exactly what has been used to craft very vague language that basically allows authorities to treat anything that goes counter to China's official line as a "threat to National Security". It's so vague that self-censorship is now omnipresent in what was, just a few years ago, a bastion of freedom of speech in Asia. Ne…
UK has all means to successfully use force, and secure its gains - that's the military reality on the ground.
It has an amphibious force to land a division, more with requisitioned civilian vessels, and it has thermonuclear weapons to threaten chokepoints — more than enough to get the peninsula.
UK is not a small military. With mobilised territorials, and first line conscripts, it will be as much as 10-12 divisions ready on short order.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
The big loophole is the provision for China's intervention in matters of "National Security". This is exactly what has been used to craft very vague language that basically allows authorities to treat anything that goes counter to China's official line as a "threat to National Security". It's so vague that self-censorship is now omnipresent in what was, just a few years ago, a bastion of freedom of speech in Asia. Ne…
UK has all means to successfully use force, and secure its gains - that's the military reality on the ground. It has an amphibious force to land a division, more with requisitioned civilian vessels, and it has thermonuclear weapons to threaten chokepoints — more than enough to get the peninsula. UK is not a small military. With mobilised territorials, and first line conscripts, it will be as much as 10-12 divisions r…
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
The big loophole is the provision for China's intervention in matters of "National Security". This is exactly what has been used to craft very vague language that basically allows authorities to treat anything that goes counter to China's official line as a "threat to National Security". It's so vague that self-censorship is now omnipresent in what was, just a few years ago, a bastion of freedom of speech in Asia. Ne…
UK has all means to successfully use force, and secure its gains - that's the military reality on the ground. It has an amphibious force to land a division, more with requisitioned civilian vessels, and it has thermonuclear weapons to threaten chokepoints — more than enough to get the peninsula. UK is not a small military. With mobilised territorials, and first line conscripts, it will be as much as 10-12 divisions r…
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