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Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by NullPrefix »

dkonofalski wrote: post #460
NullPrefix wrote: post #380

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>contactless payment You do understand how strange this sounds? Like airdropping files from C:/Downloads to C:/Archive

Can you elaborate? I can get an eSIM with service in less than 5 minutes and never leave my house/hotel using Apple Pay.

Yes, but is it contactless?

If I write you a letter on a piece of paper, is it wireless transmission? Mind you, paper has no wires.

Contactless payment is the marketing term for NFC technology. It has nothing to do with you not interacting with other people.

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Post by rosndo »

ValentineC wrote: post #461
rosndo wrote: post #395

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Problem? This seems like a huge win, the sooner we get rid of phone numbers the better.

How does one make outgoing calls without a voice-enabled number?

Just top up a VOIP service with $10 and never run out of credit because nobody makes regular phone calls in 2022?

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Post by searedsteak »

Abroszka wrote: post #325
curiousgal wrote: post #127

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I don't understand this sentiment, instead of pleading with a phone manufacturer to implement certain features why not put your money where your mouth is and, you know, buy any of the pleothra of phones out there that do have a headphone jack.

Because it's not possible. I need a ~5.5" Android phone, with SD Card, OLED, 2 SIM, headphone jack and 3 years of software updates. Not sure there is a phone like that, so I don't know what I will be doing when my current phone dies.

The Sony Xperia line up has SD card slots, headphone back, and dual SIM capability. I don't think they have OLED, but the screens get good reviews. Looks like you can expect only 2 years of updates though.

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Post by rosndo »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #290
oversocialized wrote: post #243

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>One of the nice things about the internet is that IP addresses can't be (legally) tied to the person using it. FBI does it all the time. They send in an IP, then we track the MAC to the device. Seen a few arrested based on this.

I'm sure it's not all the evidence they had. You can definitely use an IP to aid an investigation but there's too much plausible deniability for "beyond a reasonable doubt" if all you have is a computer or an IP associated with a crime.

Yes, but what does any of this have to do with eSIMs?

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Post by rosndo »

pentae wrote: post #135
rosndo wrote: post #89

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As a frequent traveler I can’t imagine going back to physical SIMs, now I can carry all my data plans on my phone and don’t have to waste time looking for a place to buy a prepaid plan. There are a ton of websites where you can immediately get esims for almost every country, why bother with physical sims?

In some places the e-sim plans are inflated and poorer value compared to the deals on physical sim cards sold. For example the unlimited data plans might be only available by sim rather than purchasing data packs

They’re rarely poorer value if your time is worth anything, if getting a prepaid SIM costs me a 30min detour I might as well be setting $100 on fire.

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Post by lopis »

junon wrote: post #288
viktorcode wrote: post #278

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> Because SIMs require the physical card. You cannot forge a SIM without the SIM itself Your SIM provider certainly can issue a duplicate. Also, SIMs can be spoofed.

I didn't say either of those things weren't true. Perhaps I should have used "cloned" instead of "forged" to be clearer. You can't remotely clone a SIM unless you use an OTA exploit or something. It's not the 'normal' case.

But what's the point in cloning a SIM card if SIM swapping is possible without them? SIM cards have shown to have no extra security than an eSIM.

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Post by lopis »

arepublicadoceu wrote: post #398

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I feel that this is a first step to a complete power grab over telecoms from the phone manufactures. 1. Step one: Force everyone to use eSim 2. Step two: Bundle a internet plan through Apple One or whatever Google offers. 3. Step three: Move further to a world where all our entertainment and access to services goes through two players: Apple and Google. I'm pretty sure in 10 years t…

This is most definitely part of it. Google dipped its toes into the ISP world with Google Fiber and made a big splash. Now Apple is starting to feel confident they can deploy their own phone service. They can just deploy their service using current infrastructure (already happens a lot in Europe with low-cost ISPs). And they have such weight that they will eventually force ISPs to do their bidding, lest Apple leaves them. You wouldn't want to be the network where iPhones are not supported.

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Post by sersi »

arthur_sav wrote: post #355
sersi wrote: post #230

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I have 4 SIM cards from 4 different countries that I need to keep. Mostly because I have bank accounts in those countries and banks either dislike foreign mobile phone numbers or accept them but then are unable to send any 2fa tokens quickly enough to those foreign phone numbers for the 2fa tokens to still be valid. So, I actually wish I had a quadruple sim phone, as it is I have two dual sim phones to handle this (w…

I think people like to complain for the sake of complaining. If you bothered to look, eSIM would suit you perfectly. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209044

Out of the 4 sim cards I have, only one provider supports eSIM. And yes, I'm aware that some iphones can use dual sim with an eSIM but the HK model which is better is dual SIM (with no eSIM).

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Post by junon »

lopis wrote: post #506
junon wrote: post #288

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I didn't say either of those things weren't true. Perhaps I should have used "cloned" instead of "forged" to be clearer. You can't remotely clone a SIM unless you use an OTA exploit or something. It's not the 'normal' case.

But what's the point in cloning a SIM card if SIM swapping is possible without them? SIM cards have shown to have no extra security than an eSIM.

SIM swapping is an exploit of humans. Not of SIMs.

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Post by csunbird »

FDSGSG wrote: post #481
Nextgrid wrote: post #93

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Sorry, you can't. The e-SIM provisioning process is under the control of the carrier. They give you a QR code (or SM-DP string) which you scan/enter, your phone then contacts the carrier and after some back and forth acquires cryptographic keys which are stored in the eSIM chip. There is no way to extract these cryptographic keys and enter them into another phone. Instead, you have to repeat the whole process and get…

> Instead, you have to repeat the whole process and get a new QR code from the carrier Utter nonsense. There's no technical requirement to get a new QR code, this is up to the carrier. Why are there so many people spreading straight up lies in this thread?

Exactly. I did not wanted to respond anymore, as the downvotes discouraged me to continue the discussion. I believe the “they are taking our freedoms!” do gather more attention.

When I wanted to move to a new phone, I simply deleted the data profile from my old phone and scanned the QR code on the new one, as the provider suggested. It just worked.

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