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Re: PHP will switch to git

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eropple wrote: post #21
derekorgan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nothing to do with being "cool". Github have created a great piece of management software to view and manage your git repositories. It's easy to use and that is why its popular not used because its popular. Git itself is popular because its easier to use than SVN and is decentralized which is very useful.

> Github have created a great piece of management software to view and manage your git repositories Therein lies the problem, and why it's not a good collaboration space for everyone (as has been implied elsewhere in this thread). I won't use it simply because I dislike dealing with git, for example. Yes, it's a great tool if you want to use git. The mentality I've seen become more prevalent over the last year to two…

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Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by dcope »

asuth wrote: post #2

Rasmus gave a talk yesterday and I asked if they were switching to github. He said they'd likely switch to git (it's now happening, apparently), but not github because it can't do ACLs and the PHP project has thousands of people who need commit access to various places.

Was there any official statement stating that they would switch to GitHub? All I see is that they're switching to git.

Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by kneath »

beaumartinez wrote: post #17

The votes are a stark contrast to those of the core Python developers when they were voting on which DVCS to migrate to[1]—although understandably they favoured Mercurial, they disfavoured git. (Bazaar got a good share of votes as well.) The victor's margin was much smaller. This was all early-2009, though. I wonder if git's increasing popularity has swayed the core PHP developers? [1] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/…

Look at the numbers for uninformed. Really what that survey showed is that the voters were uninformed about their choices.

As a rational human, I look at that data and conclude that the survey was inconclusive.

Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by socratic »

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS.

Is there any reason that all reasonably well-run projects should not be using git?

GitHub seems vastly superior to BitBucket, and git itself seems pretty much isomorphic to hg (albeit with worse syntax). (This ignores darcs, bzr, etc., but those never seemed terribly competitive for mindshare.) Furthermore, the network effects (with pull requests on Github, not having to have people learn a new DVCS to commit to your project, etc.) seem huge.

Aside from some new innovation on the scale of switching from a centralized VCS to a distributed VCS, I can't imagine anything that would cause me to try to start a project in something other than git, learn another VCS other than git, or try to convert someone to another VCS other than git. Is this the wrong attitude?

Is there any chance that Python might see the light and switch to git from hg? At this stage, choosing hg over git for reasons that seem increasingly irrelevant (better Windows support at the time, written in C/shell rather than Python) is starting to look like a worse and worse historical decision.

Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by sho_hn »

socratic wrote: post #35

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS. Is there any reason that all reasonably well-run projects should not be using git? GitHub seems vastly superior to BitBucket, and git itself seems pretty much isomorphic to hg (albeit with worse syntax). (This ignores darcs, bzr, etc., but those never seemed terribly competitive for mindshare.) Furthermore, the network effects (with pull requests on Github, not havin…

I'm a Git guy myself, but FWIW: While Python seems to be the Mercurial project everyone remembers because it was the most recent biggie to adopt it, there's also Mozilla, and the Ex-Sun-now-Oracle projects and a couple of others.

Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by socratic »

sho_hn wrote: post #36
socratic wrote: post #35

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS. Is there any reason that all reasonably well-run projects should not be using git? GitHub seems vastly superior to BitBucket, and git itself seems pretty much isomorphic to hg (albeit with worse syntax). (This ignores darcs, bzr, etc., but those never seemed terribly competitive for mindshare.) Furthermore, the network effects (with pull requests on Github, not havin…

I'm a Git guy myself, but FWIW: While Python seems to be the Mercurial project everyone remembers because it was the most recent biggie to adopt it, there's also Mozilla, and the Ex-Sun-now-Oracle projects and a couple of others.

Ah, very interesting list.

I guess I think of Python differently from the other projects in your list because the choice of DVCS chosen by the core team seems to me to impact the DVCS that someone will choose for their library in the language. I don't really have any evidence for that, however.

Do you think that (a) language communities tend to standardize on the same version control, and if so, (b) that language communities tend to standardize on the version control of the core project for the language?

Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by sho_hn »

socratic wrote: post #37
sho_hn wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Git guy myself, but FWIW: While Python seems to be the Mercurial project everyone remembers because it was the most recent biggie to adopt it, there's also Mozilla, and the Ex-Sun-now-Oracle projects and a couple of others.

Ah, very interesting list. I guess I think of Python differently from the other projects in your list because the choice of DVCS chosen by the core team seems to me to impact the DVCS that someone will choose for their library in the language. I don't really have any evidence for that, however. Do you think that (a) language communities tend to standardize on the same version control, and if so, (b) that language com…

I think (a) is true, yes. I've written about the migration of KDE from SVN to Git in a longer comment elsewhere in this thread, and Qt (not a language, but the library framework most of KDE's products build upon) switching to Git was definitely a significant factor in Git gaining traction among members of the KDE community. The KDE community consciously wanted to harness the potential synergy it saw in the KDE and Qt ecospheres syncing up on the same VCS.

OTOH, I think the Python community is pragmatic enough that it wouldn't have chosen Mercurial over Git if it being written in Python would have been the only point in Mercurial's favor, from the POV of their requirement set. But it probably does have an emotional/affinity effect, after all language developers do obviously have to care about language! :)

Interestingly, one of the best Git libraries around is actually a pure Python implementation of Git and its protocols: Dulwich.

Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by Ixiaus »

18pfsmt wrote: post #29
beaumartinez wrote: post #17

The votes are a stark contrast to those of the core Python developers when they were voting on which DVCS to migrate to[1]—although understandably they favoured Mercurial, they disfavoured git. (Bazaar got a good share of votes as well.) The victor's margin was much smaller. This was all early-2009, though. I wonder if git's increasing popularity has swayed the core PHP developers? [1] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/…

Interesting. I was a barely competent sysadmin that couldn't contain my interest in learning how to develop software. So, over the last 6 months I messed around with Vim and Emacs/ Git, Hg, and Bazaar/ and Erlang, Ruby, Lua and Python. I settled on Emacs, Python, and Git; however, the only choice I made that was overwhelmed by popularity was the choice of learning a DVCS because that is a central piece of the functio…

Mercurial has quite a few merits! I like git but I like hg better.

The main thing (to me) git has going for it, is GitHub. Even though BitBucket is getting better; it's still not GitHub.

Re: PHP will switch to git

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Post by Ixiaus »

socratic wrote: post #35

Git appears to be fast becoming the standard DVCS. Is there any reason that all reasonably well-run projects should not be using git? GitHub seems vastly superior to BitBucket, and git itself seems pretty much isomorphic to hg (albeit with worse syntax). (This ignores darcs, bzr, etc., but those never seemed terribly competitive for mindshare.) Furthermore, the network effects (with pull requests on Github, not havin…

I'm a pious hg user - even gave git a good run (mostly because of Github). I can't get over how amazing mercurial patch-queues are. Big win. I love mercurial's easy plugin development and hooks (thank you Python); I love how many awesome plugins exist for mercurial. On and on and on.
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