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Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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> Are there places out there for weirdos like me? I think the discourse is heavily biased towards pro-remote. We've been working from offices for years, so the pro-remote crowd has been vocal for a while, whereas most pro-office people are only just beginning to realize that they even prefer an office, let alone how much. But so basically I think it's a completely false notion that preferring remote work is the norm.…

It’s fun to sit in the same room/office and brainstorm and actually build something together. Gives that sense of camaraderie, we’re-in-this-together feeling, if it’s with the right people. I also think it’s about 20x more productive if in a high-stakes, high-uncertainty regime. But the median remote work is probably better than the median in person work, even if the very best work is in person. Try to imagine starti…

> the median remote work is probably better than the median in person work

What makes you say that?

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Tangent: I guess this is maybe just the term "introvert" being overloaded, but I don't see the introversion => likes being alone connection. I'm absolutely an introvert in the sense of finding that social interaction requires energy, but the past two years have proved beyond a doubt that I'm absolutely miserable being alone for long periods of time.

As someone once said, I hate people, but I don’t mind working with other people who hate people.

I mean I also wouldn't say I hate people though. Just because something requires energy from me doesn't mean I hate it.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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>"really miss leaving work early on Fridays to go to the pub" I used to have this when I was employed (about 20 years ago). Somehow my personal take was that it gets tiring pretty fast. I've had enough friends outside of employment and wit the very rare exception would very much prefer to socialize with them rather than coworkers. I then went on my own and have never looked back. The fact that I am doing quite ok mea…

A lot of people don't have enough friends outside of employment.

Even "extroverts"?

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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> Are those days just over? Depending on your job function and industry. For tech, yes, those days are over for at least for another 5 to 10 years, is my guess. COVID has generally proven to both employers and employees that productivity doesn't drop that much. It will also weed out bad people managers who need to "see" people physically who need to "get a feel" as a management metric. The only major factor that woul…

> For tech, yes, those days are over for at least for another 5 to 10 years, is my guess.

I'm kind of wondering are half of these comments from an alternate universe. Most tech companies either are planning to reopen their offices or have already reopened their offices. There are a few companies going remote-only, which I suppose is nice if you like that sort of thing (I would quit immediately) but most companies do plan to go back to the office, albeit likely with more flexibility and some permanent-remote employees.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Just want to say you are not alone. I too want to have a place to go. Whether it's a co-working space or an office for the company I work for, waking up and working in the same place every day is slowly driving me crazy. The WFH people are probably the most vocal online (especially on Reddit as subreddits tend to create echo-chambers), so it feels as though _everyone_ wants to work from home, but ultimately I think/h…

> ultimately I think/hope most people understand the social benefits of working in an office. As far as I'm concerned, there aren't any. But you know what? At the end of the day I don't care where someone works, as long as they extend me the same courtesy. The last place I worked at (before the lockdowns) gradually eliminated WFH, converted to an open plan office, and generally made life miserable for software devs w…

To me, "social benefit" implies being able to make friends, real friends not token friends. In which case, then it would be worth going to the office. Granted, not all companies are good for that unfortunately.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Omicron has already demonstrated that vaccine evasion is inevitable, we are vaccinating against the extinct Wuhan virus. Global human elimination of SARS2 is necessary or you will see in both your personal life and in the broader economy continued disability, death, and drags on productivity. There is some speculation that the "worker shortage" is due in part to workers with long COVID who want to return to work but…

>Global human elimination of SARS2 Yawn. This will never happen, and no one even cares. Long covid is just 1% of 1% cases that are psychosomatic and way overblown.

In unvaccinated cases, persistent symptoms appear in ~20% of mild cases, 50% for hospitalized [0]. Vaccines prevent contracting the virus, but afaik similar rates for those that contract it.

Long COVID symptoms range across many body systems including pain, fatigue, brain fog, inability to stand, heart damage, tinnitus (one CEO to the point they committed suicide [1]), kidney, and pancreatic damage. More results are being found routinely.

Your attitude is quite callous. I hope that if you were on the receiving end of the stick, other people will not dismiss you the same way you've dismissed them.

[0] https://s3.amazonaws.com/media2.fairhealth.org/whitepaper/as...

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2021/03/21/texas-ro...

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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> These days it's hard to find an in office job I’m not sure that’s true; most companies do plan to re-open their offices if they’re not already open. It probably is harder to find an in office job that is in-office today. Virtually impossible in some places, depending on government guidelines. But generally the intent is to go back. I’m in the same boat; can’t stand working from home, and wouldn’t take a remote job.…

> ...if they’re not already open It's not the same when the office is "open," but only 5% of people are coming in.

I mean, I can only speak from personal experience, but when my office reopened (very briefly due to bad timing wrt government advise) it was about 25% full (the maximum then allowed in this country by government guidelines). I don't think, had the capacity limit not existed, that everyone would have come in, but I also think your 5% estimate is very much on the low side.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Hey there, I was like you - a few months ago, found a great job at a start-up in Seattle (Fremont) that really prioritizes the in-office work community, while still allowing flexibility. For example, I haven’t seen two of the engineers in basically a month.

How did I do it? I was up-front with recruiters and HR - I am looking for a place that prioritizes having a vibrant, in-person work community. I filtered until I found a few places, interviewed, got an offer. It exists. If you live in Seattle (or are considering moving) send me an email at mikhael@hey.com - we are hiring, I think (though we did just hire like 4 engineers).

I wouldn’t have it any other way. I am much more productive in the office, and enjoy myself much more. Homo sapiens are social creatures.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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> I’m not sure that’s true; some people do get weirdly evangelical about WFH. I don’t think its evangelical as much as protective. I for one have had to endure grueling years of working in open office environments. I’ve got pretty severe adhd and anxiety, that’s not a good place for me. With covid, the world shifted to working how I prefer. I’m terrified it’ll go back to how it was. So I’m sorry it’s been a rough cou…

Amen. If people like being in the office, fine. I don't understand it, but that's okay. I have ADHD and have a large startle reflex - I hate open plan offices, I dislike commuting, and I get more done from home. If the office people stop trying to force me into the office with them, we can get along. Otherwise, no. For once in my life I can work in an environment that works for me. I'm not going to let some extrovert…

This is a perfect example of an evangelical WFHer spamming threads trying to convert people
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