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> If you are a local ISP, you better be part of the program if you want to sell your services to apple's devices eSIMs aren’t some apple run “program” you have to take part in.
Yes they are: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/109874
Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022
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This hasn't been my experience. I use only eSIMs now on an iPhone 13. I buy eSIMs via Airalo's iOS app (not affiliated, not an ad but love it). It takes me 30 seconds from buying an eSIM in any country worldwide from their app, paying with Apple Pay, to having it active and working with data and voice line. I travel a lot and before it'd take 15 minutes to sometimes an hour of driving to a phone shop or finding it at…
Airalo sounds interesting. I'm a bit suspicious of the offering though after studying their website. No business address, no mention where it's based, privacy policy is not GDRP compliant. Not sure if this is a serious business.
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>> For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in That is exactly what apple doesn't want you to do. They don't want users making deals with local ISPs for service. They want in on that transaction. Virtual SIMs, controlled by phone manufacturers, will allow them to exercise a degree of control over wandering users. If you are a local ISP, you better be part of the program if you wa…
I don't understand. I can get an eSIM from my telecom provider and scan it with a QR Code to activate it in Android. I've done this with Telenor in Europe and Zain in the Middle East. It works great. I can even switch between them on the fly! How does the phone manufacturer have anything to do with it? My only wish is to support multiple eSIMs, as now I only have one physical SIM slot and one eSIM.
A physical SIM in contrast always works. I was already questioning whether I'd ever need to upgrade from the 12 Pro but this type of needless regression makes it an easy decision.
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#454Is this just part of the roll out, and it will be available in time, do eSims require a Monthly plan?
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> [...] Google, which made a global MVNO. > Google Fi is a service for US residents only, as of late 2019. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fi
While iPhones are supported on Google Fi they don't support 5G. Other Google Fi phones support 5G without problems. But 5G on iPhones has been "coming" for years. I have no idea what's taking so long.
iPhone 12 series was the first to support 5G - launched in Oct 2020. That’s barely over a year ago?
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#456I don't like it. Having a physical object the embodies your phone's identity is a lot easier to deal with in many ways than an ethereal emulation of said object. For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in, even if I can only communicate through little more than pointing and grunting. Another example: I got a new phone recently, but since all my stuff was still on my old phone, a…
I imagine a world where you just a bring a phone anywhere and it you open your network settings, go to your cellular data menu, and then automatically it detects the mobile network providers that support the towers it can see. Then you tap on the one you want, select the package you want, pay for it from that menu and then bam you are connected. All without having an existing Wi-Fi or Cellular data plan. There needs…
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> they'll use whatever volume they free up to mindlessly make the phone thinner. It's funny this commenter accuses Apple of mindlessness when they did not look up that the iPhone 13 and 13 Pro are thicker than their respective counterparts from last year. https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone13,iph...
Because the iPhone 12 were mindlessly thinner and had such bad battery life that they had to make the battery bigger?
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I share your concerns but at the same time I think, why would we even need a SIM? Isn't it simply a device for accessing account on someones system? We don't have SIMs for ADSL or Fiber internet? We don't have SIMs for Reddit ot Twitter? Why would we have SIMs accessing GSM networks? There's no fundamental reason why we simply don't sign in into these networks like signing in to HN. Surely, it adds a layer of anonymi…
Because SIMs require the physical card. You cannot forge a SIM without the SIM itself. There's a physical second factor. Usernames and passwords get leaked all the time, and since Reddit et al are meant to be accessed by multiple devices, device-locking them would be antithetical and anti-consumer. A phone service is implicitly device-locked (well, doesn't have to be, but it doesn't make sense to allow multiple devic…
The sim is nothing more than an auth token which can easily be duplicated.
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I share your concerns but at the same time I think, why would we even need a SIM? Isn't it simply a device for accessing account on someones system? We don't have SIMs for ADSL or Fiber internet? We don't have SIMs for Reddit ot Twitter? Why would we have SIMs accessing GSM networks? There's no fundamental reason why we simply don't sign in into these networks like signing in to HN. Surely, it adds a layer of anonymi…
> We don't have SIMs for ADSL or Fiber internet? The reason for it is because they are physically provided to your house so it would be redundant, but if that wasn't a case, imagine if we did have SIM for ADSL or Fiber. Getting access to your Internet service wherever you go without extra charges. > We don't have SIMs for Reddit ot Twitter? > Why would we have SIMs accessing GSM networks? There's no fundamental reaso…
You have missed the point. OP is talking about how ridiculous having a physical bit of plastic to log in to the cell towers is. The physical sim provides next to no value.
And it comes at a heavy cost in space inside the phone as well as annoyance waiting for a new sim to ship in the mail. While esim providers email you a QR code and you are good to go immediately.
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>And what if those menus are in some foreign language I don't understand? And how would that work with cash? The menus will be in whatever language your phone is set to. You can use contactless payment like Apple Pay or Google Pay and there's no recurring charge unless you want there to be one.
>contactless payment You do understand how strange this sounds? Like airdropping files from C:/Downloads to C:/Archive