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Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

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Post by compiler-guy »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #78
71a54xd wrote: post #66

Fuck me, how do I position myself as a developer being poached for $200k?

Go to one of a dozen or so privileged colleges that FAANGs almost exclusively hire from. Or more realistically, know someone who is already at one of those companies and can vouch for you and get your resume looked at by a recruiter. After that it's mostly a matter of how well you can handle a high pressure tech interview loop.

Google abandoned the "hire from only the best colleges" mantra years ago. It will hire anyone who makes it through the interview, regardless of college.

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

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Post by ryandrake »

supernova87a wrote: post #74

Apple is reaching a size where the un-coordination of its leadership and processes as it has grown (while yet rigorously enforcing other negative aspects of corporate culture) are producing a place that is harder and harder to enjoy working for. It worked for a while when the company was small enough and lines of command were short enough for leadership to control effectively, but it has grown while the people proces…

> Now, can't pay someone market rate because that would be going out of band. While at the same time, people who come in as "headline" hires from external are given not nearly such scrutiny and instead get $Ms and hiring bonuses and directorships.

This seems like a common, growing problem in BigTech: It's often easier to interview and get L+1 at another company than it is to get promoted from L to L+1. Hell, it's probably easier to quit and immediately re-interview for L+1 at your own company than to go through the arduous promotion grind. When you go for promotion, you generally have to have some chain of evidence, peer reviews, performance history, etc. to show you should be at L+1, whereas when you interview at that L+1 role, you merely need to talk your way through a few interviewers and bedazzle them sufficiently. I mean, the bar is already high for the interviews, don't get me wrong, but believe it or not, it appears to be even higher for promotion.

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

thehappypm wrote: post #98
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So you've never worked for Apple but think people should know what you imagine people at Apple think? I thought we didn't post personal attacks on HN. That was uncalled-for.

Seems like an attack on your qualification to make that statement, not you yourself

I clearly, and unambiguously spelled out my qualification (30+ years of working with very happy Apple engineers), and also clearly stated that I have never worked there, myself.

I was extremely careful not to write in a confrontational manner. It was merely a vague statement, of my own personal PoV, based on a great deal of personal experience (I've been writing Apple software since 1986). Much of that time was spent, working for very respected corporations that had a close working relationship with Apple engineering. I spent a great deal of time, working directly with Apple engineers and managers. I have also had many, many training sessions at Apple (back when they did that). I've spent a lot of time, in the Apple ecosystem.

It doesn't escape my notice that lots of other folks that haven't worked for Apple have been more than happy to post their opinions, here.

Apple seems to be a bit of a lightning rod. I can tell you that anyone that has developed for them, as long as I have, has become quite used to torrents of abuse. I can't even imagine what Apple employees had to go through (actually, I can, because they told me).

I have to add that I have never had any interaction with either of you two folks, yet your very first interaction with me, was an attack.

That may fly on Facebook or Twitter, but it may be ... less than ideal ... in a professional environment (which I definitely consider HN). Note that I make it absolutely clear who I am, how to get in touch with me, and how to find out more about me. It encourages me to behave well. I deleted my last anonymous social media account, years ago.

This is a community. I consider it to be a professional community, and I value the considered input of professionals. I learn something every day from HN, and have great respect for many of its participants.

It is not a good idea for me to start relationships off in a pugilistic manner. I am likely to reduce the number of opportunities for me to grow; both personally, and professionally.

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

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Post by stathibus »

jstx1 wrote: post #58
stathibus wrote: post #44

On one hand it seems like it would have happened already, but I still have to wonder if the FAANG arms race will have consequences in 5-10 years when all these overpaid engineers call in rich and decide to go work on something more interesting and with less bureaucracy in the way.

How do you imagine it playing out? It's unlikely to happen at huge scale since most people won't happily take a huge paycut regardless of how well-off they are. And there's enough people who want to work at those companies to replace the ones that leave.

> most people won't happily take a huge paycut regardless of how well-off they are.

I would, but I guess I could be in the minority there.

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

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Post by k8sToGo »

slimsag wrote: post #95
supernova87a wrote: post #74

Apple is reaching a size where the un-coordination of its leadership and processes as it has grown (while yet rigorously enforcing other negative aspects of corporate culture) are producing a place that is harder and harder to enjoy working for. It worked for a while when the company was small enough and lines of command were short enough for leadership to control effectively, but it has grown while the people proces…

Serious question: what are the companies where this is not true? My experience personally and from what I have heard from others, this is basically true at every tech workplace today

It sounds exactly like any company I have worked for. From small to big.

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

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Post by KptMarchewa »

nawgz wrote: post #22
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #9

Well, I’d love to work for Apple, but I have no interest into moving from Minnesota suburbs to the Bay Area with all of its sanitation and ludicrous cost of living problems. If I was Apple… it was the wrong time to build fancy headquarters. You got a few years, and now the area around it is falling apart and your employees have fallen in love with remote work.

> now the area around it is falling apart Lol. As a current Cupertino resident and non-Apple employee, this is the nicest place I’ve ever lived. Massive perfect roads, extremely low crime or homelessness, modern buildings, and easy access to freeways. It’s not at all like downtown SF

If two of your four points concern roads, especially how "massive" they are, then I think many people would disagree with your definition of nice.

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

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Post by richiezc »

double_nan wrote: post #33
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the designers get all the glory… sign me up! Maybe I’m naive, but designing UI stuff is a lot less stressful than making things actually work.

Designers and PMs. Apple is being ran by designers and PMs. Which is not really a bad thing from users point of view.

I'm under the impression that EPM is more of a project management role than a traditional PM role given how tops down Apple is?

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

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Post by nawgz »

Kon-Peki wrote: post #96
nawgz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> now the area around it is falling apart Lol. As a current Cupertino resident and non-Apple employee, this is the nicest place I’ve ever lived. Massive perfect roads, extremely low crime or homelessness, modern buildings, and easy access to freeways. It’s not at all like downtown SF

> Massive perfect roads > easy access to freeways Come live here, it's easy to go elsewhere

The perceived irony is facile; living in a nice safe area with easy commutes to a large amount of places is fantastic.

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

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Post by brentis »

wronglebowski wrote: post #2

> "Most engineers received stock worth $80,000 to $120,000, with the bonuses provided as restricted stock units that are set to vest over the course of four years provided the employees stay with Apple and do not take jobs at other companies." Is that really a significant amount enough to ward off being poached? 120k over 4 years is 30k a year if linear. I would think at the pay scales being discussed they would get…

Just said same thing. Making $360k yr. and wouldn't even feel it.
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