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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by t-3 » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

truculent wrote: post #318

t-3 wrote: post #221

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The extremely similar brain structure of all mammals?

But then wouldn't the similar brain structure between monkeys and humans point towards monkeys' qualitative experience being more similar than humans than the other way around? I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, but a matter such as this seems plagued by uncertainty and it seems rash to me to be making such presumptions.

> But then wouldn't the similar brain structure between monkeys and humans point towards monkeys' qualitative experience being more similar than humans than the other way around?

I'm not sure what you mean. Did you forget a word?

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by abc_lisper » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 12:05 AM UTC

tim333 wrote: post #316

abc_lisper wrote: post #18

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All wild animals are stronger than they look. Humans are comparatively weak.. most of us can’t fight a deer. Monkeys are intelligent. They are aware of leverage and potential danger. They jump on people, chase, scratch and bite them

You hear that said but if you look at human prehistory whenever we encountered large animals they got wiped out and are mostly have to be preserved these days by conservation laws.

Trained humans working as a group with weapons, facing animals that have not seen humans before, is a completely different story. There is a reason African animals survived along humans while the story is different else where

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Post by truculent » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 7:56 PM UTC

t-3 wrote: post #321

truculent wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then wouldn't the similar brain structure between monkeys and humans point towards monkeys' qualitative experience being more similar than humans than the other way around? I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, but a matter such as this seems plagued by uncertainty and it seems rash to me to be making such presumptions.

> But then wouldn't the similar brain structure between monkeys and humans point towards monkeys' qualitative experience being more similar than humans than the other way around? I'm not sure what you mean. Did you forget a word?

Sorry for being unclear.

The original post presumes that monkeys' experience of revenge is "just a survival instinct". I find it quite odd to make such a strong assumption about something as unknowable about conscious experience (perhaps wrongly if there is evidence to that effect I am not aware of).

Your reply pointed out that mammals have similar brain structures. To me, this would imply that humans and other mammals (particularly monkeys) should have more similar experiences of the world as a base assumption, rather than leading us to dismiss similar behaviours as survival instinct etc. Perhaps I missed your point?

I can see that this is quite hand-wavy topic, but hopefully this helps to clarify a little.