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Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by alecbz »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #72

For those saying there are many people working in office now (I've been remote for the last 2 years without an office to go into), are your offices requiring employees to wear masks in office? Are coworkers having lunch together? There are definitely some things I miss about having the option to go into an office, but I think any enjoyment I may have derived from that in the past would be negated if myself and cowork…

In NYC: until recently we didn't need masks in my office and you were allowed to eat lunch together normally (you were required to be vaccinated, though enforcement was just an attestation). With omicron my company (not the city) has decided to add back masking for now.

At HQ in the Bay masking indoors was still required by the county, I believe. Though people are still able to eat lunch together.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by alecbz »

caffeine wrote: post #32

HFT and finance are still mostly in-office. If you join as a front-office dev on a trading team, chances are you will not be remote much and people will be in the office trading.

I've never been too interested in working for HFT/traditional finance, but depending on how office trends continue I might change my mind (especially living in NYC, though I'm also considering moving).

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by chrsig »

bencollier49 wrote: post #66
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> COVID has generally proven to both employers and employees that productivity doesn't drop that much. I know this is the popular sentiment pushed by remote work fans, but in offline contexts I hear the polar opposite: Productivity struggles are ubiquitous during COVID WFH. Even the most pro-remote people are quick to admit that COVID WFH is not like normal WFH. Some places even had school closures which meant parent…

I completely agree with this. Certain phases of work and types of teams do alright remotely - typically a team with a lot of senior engineers in mid-project flow with few external dependencies. But a team with a significant number of juniors, faced with multiple blockers or external dependencies will underperform badly compared to in-person working. Whole days will go missing because of a lack of effective communicat…

This doesn’t seem like it’s a matter of being WFH as much as not using chat tools effectively.

It’s very possible to just shoot the juniors a DM asking how they’re doing. or having an active team channel where people can ask for help or offer direction.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by chitowneats »

k__ wrote: post #161
chitowneats wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite hard to take this comment seriously given that this forum is dedicated to the software industry. Not to mention the significant pay cut.

Sorry, but for me it's the other way around. I always get an astro-turfing vibe when reading such posts.

Such as mine you mean? I'm actually not sure how to interpret your comment.

Service work in my country is a 0.25x or 0.1x reduction in income compared to software. Americans are much better off working in tech from a financial perspective.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by alecbz »

pysxul wrote: post #44

Come to France, companies hate remote work. You have to negotiate pretty hard to work remotely 2/5 days a week

Naively, this actually really surprises me. My sense of French working culture is that it's very much "live to work", very strong WLB. What's driving France to be more pro-office than more "work-focused" countries like the US?

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by OJFord »

xwolfi wrote: post #48
terminalcommand wrote: post #47

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Yeah this is true. When I say people I'm working from home, they look with pitty. When I say, I'm working remotely, people's impression change. I don't know why this is like this, but it is true for me.

But then what s the point ? We re forced to work from home to avoid contaminating our colleagues but it s fine to crowd a coworking space ? Sounds very inefficient to me but I guess people like us are a minority. Gladly in my country we have 0 case (Hong Kong) so we work at the office now, thank God.

I assume the suggestion is that the co-working space will be used when the rules/conditions allow; which is no different to the prospective employer's own office OP presumes to look for anyway.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by geekbird »

g051051 wrote: post #123
65 wrote: post #116

Just want to say you are not alone. I too want to have a place to go. Whether it's a co-working space or an office for the company I work for, waking up and working in the same place every day is slowly driving me crazy. The WFH people are probably the most vocal online (especially on Reddit as subreddits tend to create echo-chambers), so it feels as though _everyone_ wants to work from home, but ultimately I think/h…

> ultimately I think/hope most people understand the social benefits of working in an office. As far as I'm concerned, there aren't any. But you know what? At the end of the day I don't care where someone works, as long as they extend me the same courtesy. The last place I worked at (before the lockdowns) gradually eliminated WFH, converted to an open plan office, and generally made life miserable for software devs w…

This. I hate open plan offices, I hate commuting, I don't feel the need to socialize in my job.

If an extrovert gets energized and inspired by working in an office, great. But don't expect me to do it just because they want company to talk at. There are plenty of extroverts that can share the office with you.

IMO, all the extroverts can drive over an hour a day to yak at each other in open plan petri dishes, but count me out.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by alecbz »

chitowneats wrote: post #185
k__ wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but for me it's the other way around. I always get an astro-turfing vibe when reading such posts.

Such as mine you mean? I'm actually not sure how to interpret your comment. Service work in my country is a 0.25x or 0.1x reduction in income compared to software. Americans are much better off working in tech from a financial perspective.

I think the parent means that they work in the service industry?
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