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Challenging ‘rule breakers’ – children will confront their peers

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Re: Challenging ‘rule breakers’ – children will confront their peers

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Post by hirundo »

I saw the new James Bond movie last night and hated the ending. Not so much because it wasn't appropriate, as because they broke the rule. And not so much the rule, as the Prime Directive. My reaction felt like a kind of disgust. At the rule breakers. The same kind I'd feel at a cheater in a game.

But of course there's no sense in which I'd been cheated. This kind of surprise is meat and potatoes to almost any fiction. I think that's not despite this kind of inborn reaction, but to leverage it. This particular movie just had a lot of leverage to work with.

Re: Challenging ‘rule breakers’ – children will confront their peers

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Post by TameAntelope »

Eh, the study calls "rule breakers" the children who seemingly make mistakes applying a set of rules to a puzzle.

These aren't kids acting out in class and being put back in line by their peers, it's two kids doing some pair programming.

Am I "confronting" my coworker when I suggest a different way to loop than the one they implemented?

Nothing wrong with the study, just saying the word "challenging" is not used here in the layperson sense, that is confrontationally.

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Post by sandworm101 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #7

Eh, the study calls "rule breakers" the children who seemingly make mistakes applying a set of rules to a puzzle. These aren't kids acting out in class and being put back in line by their peers, it's two kids doing some pair programming. Am I "confronting" my coworker when I suggest a different way to loop than the one they implemented? Nothing wrong with the study, just saying the word "challenging" is not used here…

In modern schools, most any deviation from prescribed behavior is considered "rule breaking". A kid playing a game they way they want to play it, rather than the way they were taught to play it, is a disruptive kid that needs correction by peers or authority figures.

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Post by mherdeg »

sandworm101 wrote: post #8
TameAntelope wrote: post #7

Eh, the study calls "rule breakers" the children who seemingly make mistakes applying a set of rules to a puzzle. These aren't kids acting out in class and being put back in line by their peers, it's two kids doing some pair programming. Am I "confronting" my coworker when I suggest a different way to loop than the one they implemented? Nothing wrong with the study, just saying the word "challenging" is not used here…

In modern schools, most any deviation from prescribed behavior is considered "rule breaking". A kid playing a game they way they want to play it, rather than the way they were taught to play it, is a disruptive kid that needs correction by peers or authority figures.

I've seen this!

When the toddler plays an iPad game he likes to start by "failing" (choosing the wrong option, deliberately crashing a toy car, doing nothing at all) and watching what happens. It looks to me like he's basically experimenting - trying things and watching what happens. I generally just let him try and fail (and discuss what happened with him) and after about 1-2 minutes he tries the "right" thing because it helps him make progress - or hits the "X" and quits if he can't figure it out.

But some folks who watch him do this get pretty mad -- "no, kid, you're supposed to click on the blue one! No, don't crash the car, go down there! You have to push something!". This is an interesting philosophy, and while it's not one I share I'm not gonna intervene because he needs to get used to hearing this from people sometimes.

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