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Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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You mean if someone uses a million dollar zero day to hack an iPhone? You can still set a SIM pin on an iPhone eSIM as well, btw.

Plus if the concern is extraction of SIM keys from the iPhone, the iPhone already has some more valuable keys stored on it: those for Apple Pay cards.

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I think this battle is long over and done with, but the Ethernet jack is not that big. A Thinkpad T470s/T480s has it and it is plenty thin. There are even some laptops with a collapsible RJ-45 port which allows it to be even thinner. A USB port is also not that thick yet it has been dropped on many recent laptops, although a Thinkpad X1 Carbon shows it is possible to have USB, HDMI etc on a 2lb / 1kg machine.

The T480 is 30% thicker than the new Macbook pros. I just got the 14" macbook pro and personally I think it's already a bit beefy.

A serious question: what is the advantage of thinness for you, personally? I have several laptops and I'm on the move all the time. The only disadvantage of thicker ones for me is weight - but it's negligible, even when I'm cycling and my laptop is in my backpack (or, sometimes, laptop bag). Weight aside, the thinness itself has zero advantage for me. I'd much rather have all the functionality removed at the cost of it (not just Ethernet - I care much more about user-replaceable SSDs and RAM).

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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This is stupid, your carrier could IMEI lock physical SIMs if they want. eSIMs change nothing, the control you speak of is just a delusion.

They could, but they (mostly?) don't. On the other hand carriers do charge for moving eSIMs between phones.

I only use eSIMs and have yet to have trouble with this. I guess all you can do is vote with your wallet and switch to a less shit carrier.

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I share your concerns but at the same time I think, why would we even need a SIM? Isn't it simply a device for accessing account on someones system? We don't have SIMs for ADSL or Fiber internet? We don't have SIMs for Reddit ot Twitter? Why would we have SIMs accessing GSM networks? There's no fundamental reason why we simply don't sign in into these networks like signing in to HN. Surely, it adds a layer of anonymi…

Because SIMs require the physical card. You cannot forge a SIM without the SIM itself. There's a physical second factor. Usernames and passwords get leaked all the time, and since Reddit et al are meant to be accessed by multiple devices, device-locking them would be antithetical and anti-consumer. A phone service is implicitly device-locked (well, doesn't have to be, but it doesn't make sense to allow multiple devic…

I think you are confused. SIM cards are not a second factor. SIM swaps are proof of this.

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They could, but they (mostly?) don't. On the other hand carriers do charge for moving eSIMs between phones.

I only use eSIMs and have yet to have trouble with this. I guess all you can do is vote with your wallet and switch to a less shit carrier.

Unfortunately they are the only eSIM supporting carrier in the country. Maybe this will help, but looking at the other comments here mine is not the only carrier that does so.

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Because SIMs require the physical card. You cannot forge a SIM without the SIM itself. There's a physical second factor. Usernames and passwords get leaked all the time, and since Reddit et al are meant to be accessed by multiple devices, device-locking them would be antithetical and anti-consumer. A phone service is implicitly device-locked (well, doesn't have to be, but it doesn't make sense to allow multiple devic…

I think you are confused. SIM cards are not a second factor. SIM swaps are proof of this.

SIM is the second factor when it comes to proving that this device with this physical SIM is indeed accessing the network.

Fraudulent SIM swaps are attacking a different layer of the system, they are social-engineering underpaid idiots to associate a new SIM with a given account & number.

You could in theory social-engineer a bank to reissue someone's payment card and somehow intercept it in the post or steal it from their mailbox. That doesn't mean chip & PIN is insecure.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Hopefully by removing the SIM tray, they have now enough space to put the headphone jack back. (bit of sarcasm but I really miss headphone jacks in mobile phones)

I don't understand this sentiment, instead of pleading with a phone manufacturer to implement certain features why not put your money where your mouth is and, you know, buy any of the pleothra of phones out there that do have a headphone jack.

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I only use eSIMs and have yet to have trouble with this. I guess all you can do is vote with your wallet and switch to a less shit carrier.

Unfortunately they are the only eSIM supporting carrier in the country. Maybe this will help, but looking at the other comments here mine is not the only carrier that does so.

Try airalo, they’re available in almost all countries.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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I am very worried about this. While I love (and sometimes use) eSIMs, the physical SIM has a huge advantage in that it gives me freedom. It's the revolution that GSM brought: just take your SIM and move it to a different phone. No permission required. Arguably we've become slaves to ecosystems of either Apple or Google at this point, as pretty much nobody uses a phone as "just a phone", you need to have an account wi…

> Arguably we've become slaves to ecosystems of either Apple or Google at this point

I’m far more worried about the SIM cards than Apple or Google.

Did you know that SIM cards run Java? Or that they can send text messages from your phone directly to the baseband without going through the phone itself? Your SIM is probably sending data to your carrier without you knowing. ( https://scribe.rip/telecom-expert/what-is-at-t-doing-at-1111... )

Get rid of SIM cards and let’s move everything to purely digital number porting. That doesn’t mean you can’t add or change your provider when you travel, it just means you do it through the user interface instead of removing a little card that runs Java and has access to your baseband.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Can anyone discuss the privacy implications here please? I assume to use eSim you'll be required to have a working internet connection - there are still many dark spots in the world. What data does eSim need? Can anyone outline the data structures being sent from my device? It's still possible to access the network pesudo-anonomously with a physical sim, I can only assume a "selfie to activate eSim" is going to happe…

I think it's a reasonable assumption that if you own an iPhone, you have access to the internet.

Owning a device that can connect to the internet doesn't mean it can at that moment.

We need to stop assuming humans can connect to an endpoint over a network 24/7 365. There are times when you may not be able to, for all sorts of reasons, make a HTTP request at a given moment.

Networks fall over, riots happen, dictators just shut it off. Dangerous precedent to set.

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