I think we'll see a big rise in phishing attacks if this comes to pass. Unlike physical SIMs where you can move them about yourself, you often have to call support to change an eSIM. So, mobile companies are going to have to make it even easier to change eSIMs. And it's not like mobile providers are known for security. T-Mobile gave up my personal details to the world along with 50 million others a few months back.
Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022
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#72eSIMs are good but it doesn't eliminate the bureaucracy/paper work involved with acquiring an actual network connection, esp for those traveling across countries. Unless ofcourse you are willing to pay those listed roaming charges(some of which appear as hidden charges). Not sure what eSims or even Apple as a company can do about that?
Here in Switzerland eSIMs are actually massively worse - you can't swap them around on most operators without calling (!) their support line to manually release and regenerate the eSIM token. Meaning that swapping between phones now requires calling, possibly expensive, support lines and you better hope your phone issue didn't happen during holidays. And that you have a working backup phone. And you're not in a forei…
My carrier in Canada has one-time use eSIM tokens that you can only buy in-store and only from select stores and it costs four times as much as an actual SIM card (20$ for an eSIM token QR code vs $5 for SIM card). If you need to use the eSIM on another phone, you need to buy another 20$ QR code.
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#73Presumably Apple executives, by virtue of working for a global company, are more likely than average to use dual-SIM or swap between SIMs when travelling. Don't they see that for a large segment of their existing market not having this feature might make it a deal-breaker when upgrading?
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#74Fantastic. Now I will have no easy way to transfer my number from one phone to another. Currently I carry on my trips a spare phone that I can use to transfer my SIM card to and keep being able to receive various SMS messages needed for me to function at all. So what do I do after the change?
Stop buying Apple products.
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#75Fantastic. Now I will have no easy way to transfer my number from one phone to another. Currently I carry on my trips a spare phone that I can use to transfer my SIM card to and keep being able to receive various SMS messages needed for me to function at all. So what do I do after the change?
Stop buying Apple products.
You missed the part where wherever Apple goes everybody else will follow in couple of years.
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#78Presumably Apple executives, by virtue of working for a global company, are more likely than average to use dual-SIM or swap between SIMs when travelling. Don't they see that for a large segment of their existing market not having this feature might make it a deal-breaker when upgrading?
> In China mainland, Hong Kong, and Macao, certain iPhone models feature Dual SIM with two nano-SIM cards. [1]
So are you going to venture that Tim Cook is using an iPhone built for the American or Chinese market?
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#79Presumably Apple executives, by virtue of working for a global company, are more likely than average to use dual-SIM or swap between SIMs when travelling. Don't they see that for a large segment of their existing market not having this feature might make it a deal-breaker when upgrading?
> Presumably Apple executives, by virtue of working for a global company, are more likely than average to use dual-SIM or swap between SIMs when travelling.
I’d imagine it’s the opposite. Presumably the company pays for their roaming charges so swapping SIMs is a foreign concept for them.
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#80I can't understand why anyone would want this. Being able to physically swap sims so I don't ever have to deal with carrier customer service is a /good/ thing, especially when it's in the carrier's interest to make this as difficult as possible.
Maybe to avoid sim swapping? Although i am not sure if there would be an alternative attack.
SIM swapping has nothing to do with a physical SIM. It's convincing the carrier to reissue a new SIM and associate it to the previous account. It can be done just as well with e-SIMs - in that case the carrier will give you an SM-DP code instead of a physical SIM.