Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022 • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by kaba0 » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:51 PM UTC

olliej wrote: post #36

comboy wrote: post #13

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One I can think of is operator providing you a software package to make use of his special services (and whatnot). Did you know your simcard contains Java Runtime Environment?

Oh JavaCard, you have succeeded despite being horrific. It's also used for ATM cards, credit cards, etc. And Apple Pay :D I wonder if any environment uses log4j? (jk I hope. The JavaCard spec is fairly limited so maybe it's accidentally safe :D )

Why do you think it is horrific? Haven’t had the chance to look into it so all I know about it is that it uses Java ME which is a very limited subset of Java SE.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by kaba0 » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:52 PM UTC

unobatbayar wrote: post #45

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #42

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What would be a specific real world scenario where you would actually smash your sim with a brick?

Changing carriers, mostly.

Well, you can still smash your phone with a brick if you really want to.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by hulitu » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:56 PM UTC

siva7 wrote: post #22

Finally all the carriers in the world will be forced to introduce eSim. Thanks Apple

Finaly OTA. What can go wrong when everybody can program your SIM remotely ?

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by Invictus0 » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:57 PM UTC

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #48

raverbashing wrote: post #28

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> It's a massive regression of convenience against simply swapping a small chip. Yeah it's beginning to sound like replacing wired headphones with BT ones

I noticed this is a bone of contention among the HN community. It is clear why: both wired and wireless headphones have their advantages and inherent problems that had been discussed ad nauseam. In general, there is no problem as we are free people able to choose what we want and need. The problem appears when a company with a dominant position in the market declares one of these technologies dead and pushes their us…

The ethernet jack is too big, I wouldn't want a thicker laptop just for that. Just get the ethernet dongle if you need it.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by noahtallen » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:59 PM UTC

walterbell wrote: post #17

Are there existing phones which support more than one eSIM?

> With iPhone 13 Pro Max, iPhone 13 Pro, iPhone 13, and iPhone 13 mini, you can use Dual SIM with either two active eSIMs or a nano-SIM and an eSIM. iPhone 12 models, iPhone 11 models, iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR, feature Dual SIM with a nano-SIM and an eSIM.

From https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209044

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by woutr_be » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:59 PM UTC

ytch wrote: post #37

lifty wrote: post #3

Is there a good reason why mobile phones still have SIM cards, besides the historical reasons?

China still doesn't allow eSim, so Apple made special iPhone model with dual SIM slots for them.

I guess that's the reason why they took eSim away on the iPhone 12 in Hong Kong, despite previous models having it.

I used to have my main number as an eSim, and then inserted a travel SIM. Had to convert my eSim back to a real SIM card. Luckily it has dual SIM.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by keraf » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 1:03 PM UTC

Hopefully by removing the SIM tray, they have now enough space to put the headphone jack back.

(bit of sarcasm but I really miss headphone jacks in mobile phones)

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by hdhdhf » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 1:04 PM UTC

KMnO4 wrote: post #50

angulardragon03 wrote: post #21

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iPhone 13 and newer do.

I don’t think that’s correct. You can have 1 nano sim and 1 esim, but not 2 of either simultaneously.

They are correct, and you are not. The 12 is as you say. With 13, you can have either 1 nano and 1 esim or two esim simultaneously. You can also have other esim plans stored and not in use.

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 1:04 PM UTC

johnebgd wrote: post #4

Esim is a mature and excellent technology. This is overdue.

so, anything one can do if one wants to work with this technology on their own. I suppose an Asterisk extension or something, I tried searching for eSim on github but seems it's a pretty generic acronym for people to pick.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by pentae » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 1:09 PM UTC

johnebgd wrote: post #4

Esim is a mature and excellent technology. This is overdue.

Not everywhere, as others in this thread have mentioned. As a frequent traveler I'll be probably holding onto the last physical sim iPhone for many years until everywhere I travel to has it all ironed out.