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Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Is there a good reason why mobile phones still have SIM cards, besides the historical reasons?

One I can think of is operator providing you a software package to make use of his special services (and whatnot). Did you know your simcard contains Java Runtime Environment?

Where can I find those details?

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eSIMs are good but it doesn't eliminate the bureaucracy/paper work involved with acquiring an actual network connection, esp for those traveling across countries. Unless ofcourse you are willing to pay those listed roaming charges(some of which appear as hidden charges). Not sure what eSims or even Apple as a company can do about that?

Here in Switzerland eSIMs are actually massively worse - you can't swap them around on most operators without calling (!) their support line to manually release and regenerate the eSIM token. Meaning that swapping between phones now requires calling, possibly expensive, support lines and you better hope your phone issue didn't happen during holidays. And that you have a working backup phone. And you're not in a forei…

It is awful in Taiwan too.

As per telecom regulation, you cannot get a new eSIM online. The only way is visiting telecom service center in person, verify your ID, pay the fee (about 10 USD), finally got a printed eSIM QR code.

It implies you must pay $10 when you switch to a new phone every time. worse than Physical SIM card.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Here in Switzerland eSIMs are actually massively worse - you can't swap them around on most operators without calling (!) their support line to manually release and regenerate the eSIM token. Meaning that swapping between phones now requires calling, possibly expensive, support lines and you better hope your phone issue didn't happen during holidays. And that you have a working backup phone. And you're not in a forei…

> It's a massive regression of convenience against simply swapping a small chip. Yeah it's beginning to sound like replacing wired headphones with BT ones

yes iff you would need to contact a support hotline everytime you switvh the audio source or the headphones itself.

if you are mocking the notion that it was courage to get rid of the headphone. Then you are correct But then again I got a phone with headphone jack but still prefer Bluetooth. Especially now when wearing masks,... no cables that get in the way of.taking off and putting on a mask.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Is there a good reason why mobile phones still have SIM cards, besides the historical reasons?

One I can think of is operator providing you a software package to make use of his special services (and whatnot). Did you know your simcard contains Java Runtime Environment?

Oh JavaCard, you have succeeded despite being horrific. It's also used for ATM cards, credit cards, etc. And Apple Pay :D

I wonder if any environment uses log4j? (jk I hope. The JavaCard spec is fairly limited so maybe it's accidentally safe :D )

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Let me guess: Germany?

Some providers in DE also don’t allow eSIM on prepaid plans - you have to be on a contract to be able to use eSIM at all (looking at you, Telekom).

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Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Can anyone discuss the privacy implications here please? I assume to use eSim you'll be required to have a working internet connection - there are still many dark spots in the world. What data does eSim need? Can anyone outline the data structures being sent from my device? It's still possible to access the network pesudo-anonomously with a physical sim, I can only assume a "selfie to activate eSim" is going to happe…

What about the OS of a normal SIM that you have zero control off.

In Germany you are already required to ID yourself for normal SIMs.

My father had to download a provider app to access a video call where he had to show his ID.

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