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Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Legit question--would you have higher chances of surviving COVID-19 had you gotten it without the vaccine?

I don't think that's the right question to ask. Obviously my chances of surviving COVID would be higher with the vaccine than without. The real question is, which has an overall higher risk for someone of my age, sex, and health status, a COVID infection or the vaccine? I honestly don't know the answer to that question.

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Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

#182

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Legit question--would you have higher chances of surviving COVID-19 had you gotten it without the vaccine?

I don't think that's the right question to ask. Obviously my chances of surviving COVID would be higher with the vaccine than without. The real question is, which has an overall higher risk for someone of my age, sex, and health status, a COVID infection or the vaccine? I honestly don't know the answer to that question.

I mean, if you really wanted to base your opinions on science, you wouldn’t hold off on vaccines based on a single study that is not even in the meta-analysis level, no? And since you’re the type who likes to be sure, I wonder if your hesitancy to take the vaccine is grounded on professional medical advice, at all?

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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To be fair, we're still talking about 1:10,000 odds. You're much more likely to, for example, be hit by a car in the next year, even if you're in a high-risk category. I tend to run numbers here and compare to events I'm worried or not worried about. I can live with 1:10,000 risks.

What are the odds of being hit by a car in the next year? I'm honestly curious, so I googled what I could find. From what I find the odds of an injury from an accident are 1:8393 which does support your statement (assuming every accident is getting hit by a car). https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-mortalit... Do you have better stats?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

Good ballparks:

* 1:10,000 odds of being killed in or by a car.

* 1:100 odds of being injured in or by a car.

Your page, by the way, suggests 1:2000 for accidents. 49.3:100,000 = 1:2000, not 1:8393. The 1:8393 is for car accidents (which I guess includes being in a car, rather than just hit by a car).

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Well, yes, the spike protein induces an immune response. That's the entire purpose of using it as an antigen in a vaccine. If you don't see the daylight between that and your original claim that 'saturating the body with spike protein' which gets uptaken in tissue in the heart as metabolic substrate which then results in myocarditis, I don't know what to say.

Perhaps we would be more in agreement if "saturated" was replaced with dispersed or diffused?

No because there isn't evidence myocarditis occurs due to the vaccine acting systemically and getting uptaken by cardiac tissue.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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The spike protein RNA vaccine saturates the body causing an inflammatory response especial so in certain muscles that use lipids (vaccine contains lipid as a transport mechanism) as a primary source of energy such as the heart muscle. A good interview of this is [1] Joe Rogan Experience episode #1747 - Dr. Peter A. McCullough [1] https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZte37vtFTkYT7b0b04Qz Edit: [2] The CDCs myocarditis p…

It saturates the body to such a degree that the "worst" vaccine in the "worst" age group creates an extra 30 cases of myocarditis per million people? Edit: 100 per million, thanks for the correction. 0.01% of people.

That is the same age group that is at lowest risk from the actual virus, though - the cost:benefit for that demographic is the most interesting.

(I am an under 30yo male who is fully vaccinated, just to be clear)

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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> the flu was somehow eradicated at the outset of mass covid testing, Did you know "the flu" is actually many strains, the most prevalent of which changes season to season? It is not surprising to me that Covid "won out" this season. Plus a record number of people got the flu vaccine during the pandemic. Here is what the CDC says about lower flu numbers [1] > many of the covid tests did not distinguish between the fl…

Thanks for clarifying the flu details. As for lockdowns- hindsight is 20/20, but I would do the following- Issue public health advisory encouraging people to eat healthier, exercise, and possibly even offer subsidies on healthy groceries and vitamins. Vitamin D deficiency is highly correlated to negative outcomes with covid infection. To this day, our federal health organizations haven't even issued statements encour…

I'm sorry you perceive the messaging as fear-based. Indeed the facts of a pandemic are scary but I don't think the intent of sharing facts is to induce fear. Rather, it is to share information and prepare the public.

Regarding hospital staffing, I'm not sure where money for that would come from if not largely paid by patients or insurance plans. I certainly wouldn't want to see that whole system become state-owned. We should encourage rather than stifle competition.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

#187

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Thanks for clarifying the flu details. As for lockdowns- hindsight is 20/20, but I would do the following- Issue public health advisory encouraging people to eat healthier, exercise, and possibly even offer subsidies on healthy groceries and vitamins. Vitamin D deficiency is highly correlated to negative outcomes with covid infection. To this day, our federal health organizations haven't even issued statements encour…

I'm sorry you perceive the messaging as fear-based. Indeed the facts of a pandemic are scary but I don't think the intent of sharing facts is to induce fear. Rather, it is to share information and prepare the public. Regarding hospital staffing, I'm not sure where money for that would come from if not largely paid by patients or insurance plans. I certainly wouldn't want to see that whole system become state-owned. W…

No. The messaging around Omicron was explicitly fear-based. Now even the media is forced to concede that it is mild.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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This paper essentially argues that the risk of myocarditis in under-40 males getting 2 shots is greater (perhaps much greater) than the risk of getting it from COVID. There have been similar studies before, but none (that I saw) broken down by age and sex like this. It reads: > Despite more myocarditis events occurring in older persons, the risk following COVID-19 vaccination was largely restricted to younger males a…

> This guy made a graph of their data, which makes it a little more clear: As another commenter as has pointed out, the graph in question in included in the PDF version of this preprint (which you can see here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.02.21267156v... ). I want to add: "this guy" is Vinay Prasad, a professor of oncology at UCSF and an incredibly prescient thinker through the COVID-19 pandemic,…

I don't understand how you can be skeptical about lockdowns. The virus needs people to come in contact in order to spread. If you reduce contact you reduce spreading. It's the simple fact of the matter. Case closed.

Nobody denies lockdowns have damaging effects in other areas.

That leaves a discussion about what kinds of lockdowns are worth the benefits they bring. But seems to me the sub isn't geared towards finding that truth?

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

#189

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>Now that it's clear vaccination doesn't prevent transmission You seem to be assuming the answer to that is either true or false. Isn't it much more likely that vaccines prevent some transmission and the question is how much.

The viral load in vaccinated infections has been demonstrated to be the same as unvaccinated infections in multiple studies now. And a perfect example is here in Ontario where 80% of the cases are in vaccinated individuals even though 77% of the population is actually vaccinated. The shots might be helpful as a potential severe symptom mitigator which wanes but it should never have been called a "vaccine" as it neith…

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...

positive -> vax infections 1/3 less likely than positive -> unvax - seems like it did prevent (some) infection for Delta at least.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

#190

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I'm sorry you perceive the messaging as fear-based. Indeed the facts of a pandemic are scary but I don't think the intent of sharing facts is to induce fear. Rather, it is to share information and prepare the public. Regarding hospital staffing, I'm not sure where money for that would come from if not largely paid by patients or insurance plans. I certainly wouldn't want to see that whole system become state-owned. W…

No. The messaging around Omicron was explicitly fear-based. Now even the media is forced to concede that it is mild.

The CDC has always presented Omicron details as unknown. Other media will be click-baity and shouldn't be considered a primary source.
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