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DisplayPort over Thunderbolt is not a proprietary connector (this is what the Pro Display XDR uses).
It's really stupid to force Thunderbolt usage though when USB-C has an alt mode for DP directly.
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The state of external retina displays
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Re: The state of external retina displays
#292I have been waiting for good external Retina displays for years . That the situation has not improved after all this time is incredibly frustrating. Why is no display manufacturer [0] interested in setting itself apart by producing and marketing a lineup of reasonably priced external pixel-doubled (~200 ppi) displays? For some reason everything must be 16:9 and 4K with no regards to display size, resulting in some ve…
it's a matter of connectors and display bandwidth. Apple's extra-expensive display doesn't use HDMI or DisplayPort connectors, it uses a proprietary connector. edit: I'm wrong on that. oops. apparently that invalidates my entire point. (it doesn't) display bandwidth matters, and connectors are where display bandwidth goes to die. apple had to design a special one for the bandwidth requirements of that display. it's n…
The "serious advances" is DSC, which the XDR is already using to support 6k over a single DisplayPort HBR2 link. Which, as others mentioned, can be carried via USB-C alt-mode in addition to Thunderbolt.
6k 120Hz and 5k 144Hz are both possible over a single HBR3 link with DSC. Such monitors don't exist because the panels don't exist; rather the closest panel for sale is perhaps the 5120x1440 at 240Hz in the Samsung G9. Which has the same bandwidth requirements as a hypothetical 5120x2880 at 120Hz.
If you want 240Hz at >4k, or 8k 120Hz, then sure that exceeds existing DisplayPort 1.4 and ThunderBolt 4 bandwidth capabilities even with DSC, and you'll need the upcoming DisplayPort 2.0 link rates. (or DSC+chroma subsampling)
Re: The state of external retina displays
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you need so much brightness in an indoor environment? Personally I've more frequently had the opposite problem, i.e. minimum brightness only going down to the 30-50 nits level, which is quite bright in dark-ish environments.
Having an open window near your desk it’s pretty easy to want a brighter display depending on the time of day. If you don’t have natural light it is a much smaller concern.
I have to close my blinds to be able to see my monitors during the day.
Re: The state of external retina displays
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
The DP altmode didn’t provide enough bandwidth, which is why the best experience is over the Thunderbolt alternate mode. edit: you can in fact get HBR3 working, what's not working at full rate with DP instead of thunderbolt is the USB3 hub on the display.
Oh it does? Nice. Kinda expected Apple to go full asshole mode on that.
You mean Intel - older Thunderbolt displays don't support USB-C alt-mode because Intel didn't support it as input until Titan Ridge Thunderbolt controllers.
Re: The state of external retina displays
#295For your consideration a calculator.
https://www.designcompaniesranked.com/resources/is-this-reti...
According to it's methodology which seems reasonable a 4k display is "retina" at 26" at a typical 20" viewing distance. A 27" at 21.
I think a 27" is so near as good as to be indistinguishable despite being a reasonable upgrade in screen area.
I have something very similar to this.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824025891
I'd easily put it in the position of the bargain choice.
Re: The state of external retina displays
#296I have been waiting for good external Retina displays for years . That the situation has not improved after all this time is incredibly frustrating. Why is no display manufacturer [0] interested in setting itself apart by producing and marketing a lineup of reasonably priced external pixel-doubled (~200 ppi) displays? For some reason everything must be 16:9 and 4K with no regards to display size, resulting in some ve…
If you're looking for a 5k display, I've found Wikipedia's list of 5k devices to be valuable reference point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5K_resolution#List_of_devices_...
Personally, I'm hanging out for a 5120x2880 display larger than 27". We've had 27" 5120x2880 displays for 6 or 7 years now, you'd think someone would have taken that res to a larger panel by now. But nope, still waiting.
Re: The state of external retina displays
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Problem with OLED is the 240hz PWM, which is present in the AERO as well. For instance, on my iPhone 13 Pro, I can see the on-off-on-off clearly once I’m below 20% brightness. The eye strain of oled is terribly annoying. I agree with you on the blooming, but there are no options today that scratch all itches.
Are all laptops with oled using pwm? Some amoled phones are using dc dimming...
I’m only aware of the Gigabyte Aero (240hz), Dell XPS 13 (240hz), Dell XPS 15 (60hz!?), and Razer Blade 15 (60hz!?).
I wasn’t aware some AMOLED phones use dc dimming. I would love to have that. It’s so weird looking at your phone and seeing the screen turn on and off repeatedly.
Re: The state of external retina displays
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The startup dude with the Embody and topped out M1 Max with four roommates mates is such a meme today, though. That's because it's incomplete. A $5k screen is not so much a tool of the trade as an accessory for someone signalling themself to be valuable or valued. More commonly, coming to own these things is the result of little professional envy. Our software engineers spend all day developing. They sit in $2-300 ch…
I hope you understand you’re very alone In a crowd of sane people if you want to say that your engineers are happy in a $300 chair. A steel case or Herman miller is tablestakes for a decent software shop and if you’re too ignorant or miserly to see it then it’s probably not a great place to work at. A good chair makes a huge difference for ones quality of life. Please don’t skimp on it.
I have an Aeron, Embody, and Gesture. Yet, some of the $300-$400 mesh chairs at Staples feel better. Downside is I’ve never had one of those chairs last longer than 2-3 years before the mesh loosened up more than I’d like, but while they are good they are the best I’ve tried.
Re: The state of external retina displays
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
The startup dude with the Embody and topped out M1 Max with four roommates mates is such a meme today, though. That's because it's incomplete. A $5k screen is not so much a tool of the trade as an accessory for someone signalling themself to be valuable or valued. More commonly, coming to own these things is the result of little professional envy. Our software engineers spend all day developing. They sit in $2-300 ch…
I hope you understand you’re very alone In a crowd of sane people if you want to say that your engineers are happy in a $300 chair. A steel case or Herman miller is tablestakes for a decent software shop and if you’re too ignorant or miserly to see it then it’s probably not a great place to work at. A good chair makes a huge difference for ones quality of life. Please don’t skimp on it.
I'm not saying Herman Millers are a scam, I'm saying that we purchase chairs for close to 20k employees, and great chairs do exist for $2-300.
And I get it, I buy for quality, too. But no one is passing up offers over the faux pas of being presented with an inferior chair.
Re: The state of external retina displays
#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
The startup dude with the Embody and topped out M1 Max with four roommates mates is such a meme today, though. That's because it's incomplete. A $5k screen is not so much a tool of the trade as an accessory for someone signalling themself to be valuable or valued. More commonly, coming to own these things is the result of little professional envy. Our software engineers spend all day developing. They sit in $2-300 ch…
I use a Pro Display XDR with my MacBook Air because of people like you who write long posts about how dumb it is.
Thanks, Apple pays me a commission every time someone uses that arrangement.
I never get a check, though, because they bet me back that they could slap a logo on a towelette and sell it for $20. Uncanny how evenly it cancels out.