We should invest even heavier into web∅, which is when you don’t even have a website. Can’t get lighter than that.
Maybe all web∅ pages are the empty string, so they're all equal to one another?
Empty string or null string?
I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
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Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
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The amount of reinvention in the JS space is mind boggling. While this works to drive the whole thing forward it would be nice to see more LTS support rather than yet another templating library. Not that most their languages are inherently better but some have a way of mitigating the problem slightly, like e.g. python's extensive std lib collection.
I am a backend engineer by trade, and I have been trying to learn me a little React because I decided I should learn new tech (not the stuff I use on a daily basis, which is Python) on side projects. So the backend is being done in Rust, and frontend is using React. I had this moment where I thought "well, I need Typescript, because I want nicely typed interfaces and contracts, and I need React". Turns out it's not e…
> Turns out it's not easy like that. To cobble everything together you need a proper template for webpack. and there's Babel and that also needs to be caressed in the right React-y way. You can't just "hop in".
I would tell the exact same story if I was to decide to use Python as backend, just with different technologies. Maybe you just tried to do too much too quick. I can build a Python script, just like you can probably build a JS script, it doesn't means that I can just jump into Django head first like it was nothing. You can't just "hop in", you need to learn each step, and that's fine. The number of times I thought it was as simple as a "pip install"... lost quite a bit of time in various CTF while trying to use some Python scripts. You also can stop at any steps, and that's fine too. I know that HN is good at "THIS IS THE ONLY RIGHT WAY", even this thread if filled with people arguing that "web0" is the "right way", but you know what, the right way is the one that works for you, even if it means that some page will take more time to load, or takes more data transfer, or is missing interactivity, or has a less optimal UX, or can be done faster in another way, or any other downside.
Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
#223I made my first "professional" web0 page 25 years ago. I made twenty of them, in fact. Each of the 20 webpages belonged to a Computer Science professor in the CS department I was in. I got paid a grand total of $800 to do that. Of that, I paid $200 in rent to my landlord for my room and utilities. My monthly groceries were always under $100. The remaining $500 I diligently sent home to my poor mom & dad back in India…
What an awesome comment. The site brings back memories of the style of the times. But why are his publications in flames?
Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
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JavaScript framework churn (on the frontend) ended 6 years ago. The only thing keeping this meme going is commenters on HN.
What framework did you end with? What state management approach? What styling strategy? I think the churn stops whenever you stop adopting new things to replace functionally equivalent things, but new things still come along and get hyped.
Library: React
State Management (if needed): Redux via Redux Tool Kit. Maybe Redux Toolkit Query too if necessary.
Style Strategy: SCSS or Styled Components (if I have to)
Framework: Remix[0]
This is honestly a very easy set of questions to answer today.
[0] remix.run
Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
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I 100% agree. Imagine if self-hosting was taught in schools. Would Facebook and GMail be this big? I'm dreaming of an alternate universe where you read your friends microblogs through RSS, with the client and timeline algorithm of your choice. Everyone has his own mail server, with proper open-source spam filters. Open-source is a public service, receiving donations from governments. We were so close to this.
No regular person would ever do any of the things in your alternate universe. Even most tech people wouldn't, because it's a massive pain in the ass. I don't know why you think the world was ever close to this.
I do all those things now, and so do many other people. There is a parallel universe just like this. It’s here now, and has a large and happy population. Not a pain in the ass, but a pleasure.
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Of course there's issues, that's why it didn't happen! But solutions do exist: open-source focusing on UI, standardisation, free static IPs, more open operating systems, etc
You're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. The people/product problems are far larger than the technical problems. Why would people ever want to manage all of those things? A large part of the value proposition of Gmail and Facebook is that they are easy to use. Also, this: https://twitter.com/nikitabier/status/1369098642171162625
I have no use for Facebook, and Gmail is not easy to use because it doesn’t do what I want. I need real email.
Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
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There are real things happening in web 3.0, they are just being obscured by layers and layers of bullshit, scams and other fuckery. Once all that has crashed and everyone has lost all their money there will still be real and interesting tech remaining. Be very sceptical, but don't ignore the whole thing or you might end up missing the next real wave of innovation in tech (which is what i thought HN was about).
I think if you want to dispel the skepticism describing those real things would go a long way.
I'm working on a decentralized storage solution for personal data. To be fair, it's not actually being used anywhere meaningful but I think it has real value (data ownership / privacy, encryption, protection from client code) and we have a proof-of-concept website that you could test it out on.
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Of course there's issues, that's why it didn't happen! But solutions do exist: open-source focusing on UI, standardisation, free static IPs, more open operating systems, etc
You're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. The people/product problems are far larger than the technical problems. Why would people ever want to manage all of those things? A large part of the value proposition of Gmail and Facebook is that they are easy to use. Also, this: https://twitter.com/nikitabier/status/1369098642171162625
I entirely agree. But OSS maintainers could have product vision too. We just need the right incentives, like better business models.
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The obvious question is why should these things be a pain in the ass.
If you want everything to be decentralized it will always be a pain in the ass and have way more friction compared to a centralized alternative even if it's pretty easy in absolute terms. The problem is psychological, not technical.
You could say the same thing about laundry.
While US has a plethora of laundromats and buildings get dedicated laundry rooms, in Europe (at least), even the tiniest apartments in apartment buildings have their own washing machine.
While there is some overhead (if it breaks, you have to find someone to fix it; you need to clean that filter...), people have happily accepted the decentralization since the benefits outweigh the overhead.
Same can be done with any other tech if we focus on streamlining it.
Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
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No regular person would ever do any of the things in your alternate universe. Even most tech people wouldn't, because it's a massive pain in the ass. I don't know why you think the world was ever close to this.
I do all those things now, and so do many other people. There is a parallel universe just like this. It’s here now, and has a large and happy population. Not a pain in the ass, but a pleasure.
> It’s here now, and has a large and happy population.
Happy maybe, but large no.