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I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by cableshaft »

mdoms wrote: post #207
cableshaft wrote: post #194

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OpenSea is probably the biggest thing, it's the largest NFT marketplace and it uses web3 extensively. Starting to figure out Clarity.so, which is a project management tool kind of like Notion but with some web3 features. Haven't done too much with it yet, but an organization I'm working with is using it. Metamask is a browser wallet that also serves as your login and identity for these sites. If you want to learn som…

> OpenSea is probably the biggest thing, it's the largest NFT marketplace and it uses web3 extensively. Is this website hosted or somehow powered by web3? Does it store its data in a blockchain or a traditional MySQL/postgres/etc db? Are its user accounts nothing but wallet addresses and entirely managed and controlled by the wallet owners? Is the computation, access control etc done using smart contracts and resilie…

Powered for sure, but I don't know if absolutely everything is stored via web3, like their html or whatever. I know the NFTs and metadata are[1]. Purchases, transfers, bids, offers, etc. are handled using smart contracts. User accounts are just wallet addresses, yes. I don't know how it manages access control, but besides what I assume is some sort of admin access it doesn't really need it.

If OpenSea doesn't qualify as web3, I don't know what would.

[1]: https://filecoin.io/blog/posts/opensea-decentralizes-and-per...

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Post by throwaway984393 »

czhu12 wrote: post #163
throwaway984393 wrote: post #144

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> I would love to see someone try to build something even remotely complex or valuable Why though? Just make it simple and functional. No need to get complex. > I would expect that if Banking portals, EHR's, CRM's (name any other service even moderately complex) were stitched together with a series of html documents and forms, customers wouldn't be as excited about that. Why should customer excitement force us to cre…

Because most software exist to provide solutions to customers and not to satisfy the developers. If you're going through a 40 page mortgage application, and an accidental page refresh loses everything you've filled in, thats not ideal. If you're trying to catch an uber, and the status isn't updated in real time, thats not ideal. If you're a customer support agent, and incoming messages require a page refresh to see,…

That is a great answer: because we're trying to solve users' problems.

So we need to make things complex enough to solve a user's problem, and no more. I think the difficulty we run into is that last bit.

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Post by wheresmycraisin »

I don't think there's anything wrong with more complex tooling, as long as the deliverable is simple.... I use a static site generator (11ty in my case, but there's hundreds just like it) and, even though my node_modules is 81M, it produces clean html free of unnecessary js or css. Just like a modern digital artist might use photoshop/illustrator to create a static jpeg.

Of course, you also have things like gatsby/gridsome which are supposedly also "static site generators" but also ship ridiculous amounts of js to do ridiculous things like "hydrate" the client-side to a full spa.

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Post by bradley_taunt »

RF_Savage wrote: post #149

I recently also wrote my own page in bare html, in nano, on my shell account at the server, which I get s a member service to hobby club. It delightfully old school and writing bare ugly html works okay for me, I can actully concentrate on the content instead of learning how to use and maintain a cms. It is my main homepage and very portable if I ever need to change hosts for example. Its kainda like 2003 again for m…

Just slap a viewport tag in the head of that bad boy and call it a day :)

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Post by tehjoker »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #189
arnaudsm wrote: post #183

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Of course there's issues, that's why it didn't happen! But solutions do exist: open-source focusing on UI, standardisation, free static IPs, more open operating systems, etc

You're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. The people/product problems are far larger than the technical problems. Why would people ever want to manage all of those things? A large part of the value proposition of Gmail and Facebook is that they are easy to use. Also, this: https://twitter.com/nikitabier/status/1369098642171162625

That last part is only true if the fundamental feature set meets some minimum requirement for whatever they're trying to do. All these companies competing on polish have confused the issue (perhaps because meeting that minimum is often quite easy).

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Post by ate53 »

userbinator wrote: post #179
ate53 wrote: post #68

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> ... especially on a "nonstandard" TLD. I guess that's a dig but I'm not sure why. It's resolvable via the ICANN root and is no more "nonstandard" than any of its siblings.

I've found that I tend to ignore any sites which aren't the traditional net/com/org or the well-known ccTLDs when they show up in search results. Perhaps because the majority of them seem to be used for hosting vapid SEO spam. It's an almost subconscious aversion trained by years of browsing experience, when assessing the trustfulness of a site, that "weird TLD" will be a negative weight.

I can understand how you might arrive at such an intuition but I'm not sure how well it serves you, particularly when you apply it outside of the search results that have formed it. There's over 150 million names under .com, people are going to go elsewhere.

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Post by smartbit »

dxbydt wrote: post #96

I made my first "professional" web0 page 25 years ago. I made twenty of them, in fact. Each of the 20 webpages belonged to a Computer Science professor in the CS department I was in. I got paid a grand total of $800 to do that. Of that, I paid $200 in rent to my landlord for my room and utilities. My monthly groceries were always under $100. The remaining $500 I diligently sent home to my poor mom & dad back in India…

An online shop for Computer parts in The Netherlands left their site online for memories of the good old days http://www.pcwebstore.nl/defaultoud.asp

The domain was registered on 1997-05-28. In that same year the young entrepreneurs won a Business Challenge by the Rabobank for their innovative business model.

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Post by gompertz »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #189
arnaudsm wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course there's issues, that's why it didn't happen! But solutions do exist: open-source focusing on UI, standardisation, free static IPs, more open operating systems, etc

You're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. The people/product problems are far larger than the technical problems. Why would people ever want to manage all of those things? A large part of the value proposition of Gmail and Facebook is that they are easy to use. Also, this: https://twitter.com/nikitabier/status/1369098642171162625

People are larger than the technical problems indeed, but I think that would have been a good thing in the "self hosting" world the parent commenter desired. People willing to put in the proper energy are likely those worthwhile to listen to. With the "easy to use" nature you pointed out, it has brought everyone and their dog to the thunderdome babbling their nonsense daily.
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