Get off my lawn.
"It's so cool is just works"?! OP sounds shocked that you don't need 50MB+ of scripts and CSS to serve a webpage.
I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
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Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
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It's supposed to be, and it is . Every domain points to a different node in the decentralized web. Just because some nodes are massively popular doesn't mean the technology is not decentralized. Popular nodes will always exist in every decentralized vision of the internet.
Yeah, so... why on Earth do people keep saying that it is centralized? I understand that for some there is nothing beyond Facebook, but that has to do with Facebook apps on the smartphones, restrictions or limitations at the smartphone-level, ISP-level, and so forth. Regardless, it is decentralized, so what is this decentralization based on blockchain bullshit? Do we need it? What problem does it solve? I hope that t…
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Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
#173Totally cool to see this tip of HN!
For most things, it's the way it should be.
Less really IS more
I deeply miss websites that -reliably- loaded faster than you could blink. The megatons of cruft that comes with even the simplest page, the dozens of remote code callouts that show up in NoScript (and the mere fact that it's been for years prudent to run NoScript...), the slogging wait for pageloads.... It'd just a vast disappointment. And these awful load times and performance are on CAD-level laptops.
I left the industry 15+ years ago seeing the writing on the wall and hoping I was wrong - writing code had become like walking in quicksand - unable totrust the stacks of garbage underneath to behave as documented, and abstractions becoming increasingly purposeless. I'd hoped it'd get better, but as far as I can tell, it was a good move, when something like this is merely quaint.
The hardware industry has produced astonishing improvements every decade, and the software industry just continues to squander those improvements at an even faster rate, producing an ever-degrading experience.
Really sad.
Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
#174I made my first "professional" web0 page 25 years ago. I made twenty of them, in fact. Each of the 20 webpages belonged to a Computer Science professor in the CS department I was in. I got paid a grand total of $800 to do that. Of that, I paid $200 in rent to my landlord for my room and utilities. My monthly groceries were always under $100. The remaining $500 I diligently sent home to my poor mom & dad back in India…
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#175I'm studying up on web3 but I also kinda miss web0, or at least a simple static site with some basic CSS and no javascript. More sites should go back to that.
Whenever I get around to making a personal site again, it will probably be compiled to a static site, even if I end up using a static site generating tool to allow for some templating.
Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are real things happening in web 3.0, they are just being obscured by layers and layers of bullshit, scams and other fuckery. Once all that has crashed and everyone has lost all their money there will still be real and interesting tech remaining. Be very sceptical, but don't ignore the whole thing or you might end up missing the next real wave of innovation in tech (which is what i thought HN was about).
I think if you want to dispel the skepticism describing those real things would go a long way.
I've yet to see those "real things" described and would be interested to see it summed up so I can.
Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
#177I've never quite understood the gripe people have with modern web development. React took off in ~2015 and the only thing that has really changed about it is how you do state management (flux -> redux -> hooks). Plenty of frontends still rely on jQuery which can easily be sprinkled into a frontend, and the API hasn't really changed in nearly 20 years. What is the author advocating that we adopt this html-only approac…
> I would love to see someone try to build something even remotely complex I think they are advocating we stop trying to constantly make things that are complex, or can one day handle potential complexity, and try to make things more simple from the get-go. Sure not everything can be Simone [simple*] html, but anecdotally, I can see the value in advocating more simplicity (but not at a raw html level). So much of wha…
I think thats fair, but thats also becomes a truism since no one sets out to over-architect things. My biggest annoyance with this series of posts that show up every few days on HN is just how disconnected they are from the actual challenges of software that people use on a daily basis.
The number of support tickets that I've seen in the past from users who:
Weren't able to see a button dead center on the page without adding a bit of animation
Didn't realize there was a form error above without an auto-scroll.
Help text that needed to be contextual so as to not overwhelm the user.
Dropdowns that are too unwieldy to navigate without a typeahead.
etc etc
All these require adding more javascript, more css, and more complexity to solve, but it would be ludicrous to say that 50% of users should just not use the service because we need to keep the code clean.
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#179It's both pleasing and a little disappointing to see this being "marketed" under the name "web0" --- especially on a "nonstandard" TLD. All websites used to be simple handwritten hyperlinked pages. I guess what's old is new again? Of course, Big Tech would want you to use its browser (not browser_s_) and indulge in the insane complexity of "the web stack" which guarantees its monopoly, but it doesn't have to be that…
> ... especially on a "nonstandard" TLD. I guess that's a dig but I'm not sure why. It's resolvable via the ICANN root and is no more "nonstandard" than any of its siblings.
I've found that I tend to ignore any sites which aren't the traditional net/com/org or the well-known ccTLDs when they show up in search results. Perhaps because the majority of them seem to be used for hosting vapid SEO spam. It's an almost subconscious aversion trained by years of browsing experience, when assessing the trustfulness of a site, that "weird TLD" will be a negative weight.
Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works
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I 100% agree. Imagine if self-hosting was taught in schools. Would Facebook and GMail be this big? I'm dreaming of an alternate universe where you read your friends microblogs through RSS, with the client and timeline algorithm of your choice. Everyone has his own mail server, with proper open-source spam filters. Open-source is a public service, receiving donations from governments. We were so close to this.
I’m sure they would be. You ship your org chart, so large organizations that move quickly will ship bulky applications. It’s very hard to make those applications smaller without slowing development considerably. Moreover, it’s not like there was a dearth of system administration experience at Google around the time GMail was conceived.
I read the GP's "big" as popular, not bloated.