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I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

arnaudsm wrote: post #76
tehjoker wrote: post #42

It's funny that web3 is being sold as the decentralized web when that's what the internet architecture was literally designed for -- to survive an apocalyptic nuclear war. However, big players used their ability to purchase infrastructure and unforeseen flaws in the protocols to centralize much of the activity on the web. Lol if you think money can't do that to any decentralized architecture. One thing that would at…

I 100% agree. Imagine if self-hosting was taught in schools. Would Facebook and GMail be this big? I'm dreaming of an alternate universe where you read your friends microblogs through RSS, with the client and timeline algorithm of your choice. Everyone has his own mail server, with proper open-source spam filters. Open-source is a public service, receiving donations from governments. We were so close to this.

No regular person would ever do any of the things in your alternate universe. Even most tech people wouldn't, because it's a massive pain in the ass.

I don't know why you think the world was ever close to this.

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Post by contravariant »

sidpatil wrote: post #48
gred wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Web3, also known as Web 3.0, is an idea for a new iteration of the World Wide Web Cool, cool... > that incorporates decentralization based on blockchains k bye

> Web 3.0 In my mind, Web 3.0 was synonymous with the Semantic Web .

Some of the arguments here fill me with good hope that the semantic web is going to be the next revolution.

After all, it very much feels like a revolution with the amount of people saying it'll never work.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by mystiick »

czhu12 wrote: post #135

I've never quite understood the gripe people have with modern web development. React took off in ~2015 and the only thing that has really changed about it is how you do state management (flux -> redux -> hooks). Plenty of frontends still rely on jQuery which can easily be sprinkled into a frontend, and the API hasn't really changed in nearly 20 years. What is the author advocating that we adopt this html-only approac…

> I would love to see someone try to build something even remotely complex

I think they are advocating we stop trying to constantly make things that are complex, or can one day handle potential complexity, and try to make things more simple from the get-go.

Sure not everything can be Simone [simple*] html, but anecdotally, I can see the value in advocating more simplicity (but not at a raw html level). So much of what I need to work on and maintain are over architected "just in case"

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by bee_rider »

skymt wrote: post #50
dvt wrote: post #10

Ah, yes, I remember this from web0: Trying to make web3 go away is just as pointless as trying to make web2 go away. It's here, it's going to stick around. Yes, there's a lot of hype, it probably won't look the same in 10 years, and yes there's a lot of charlatans, but I think ignoring its importance is myopic.

Let's hear what the father of the web had to say about web 3.0. > People keep asking what Web 3.0 is. I think maybe when you've got an overlay of scalable vector graphics – everything rippling and folding and looking misty – on Web 2.0 and access to a semantic Web integrated across a huge space of data, you'll have access to an unbelievable data resource… — Tim Berners-Lee, 2006 That's funny, he didn't mention blockc…

People bring up this semantic web thing in Web 3.0 discussions all the time. I still don't know what he was talking about. I don't think it happened, though?

Semantic Web 3.0 and blockchain web3 stuff both suffer from at least one shared problem* -- the internet is a living, evolving system. Web 2.0 was labeled in retrospect to describe a general, but clearly visible change in the way websites were build. Much easier to predict something that has already happened and which everyone can see.

The only prediction I think that we can make about the internet is that it will defy any predictions that we make about it.

*Not to say this is the only problem either had -- for example, web3 also suffers from a wide range of credibility issues, IMO.

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Post by tehjoker »

RedShift1 wrote: post #101
tehjoker wrote: post #42

It's funny that web3 is being sold as the decentralized web when that's what the internet architecture was literally designed for -- to survive an apocalyptic nuclear war. However, big players used their ability to purchase infrastructure and unforeseen flaws in the protocols to centralize much of the activity on the web. Lol if you think money can't do that to any decentralized architecture. One thing that would at…

IPv6 deployment removing the not giving consumers static IPs argument is a pipe dream. Many ISP's that deploy IPv6 don't guarantee you'll get the same prefix and in many cases you don't whenever your CPE loses connection even for just an instant. There is zero economic incentive for them to do that so why would they.

Yea I agree with the social aspect of it, but social aspects can be made to bend and break a physical limitation is impossible.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by argvargc »

yalogin wrote: post #116

What is web0? Looks like I am out of the loop here.

Hand-coding a website using only rudimentary HTML tags (eg,

or
) and nothing else, resulting in a charmingly-ugly yet functional self-published site. Roughly speaking, like much of the internet was in the 90's.

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Post by [deleted] »

fb03 wrote: post #94
c0balt wrote: post #78

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The amount of reinvention in the JS space is mind boggling. While this works to drive the whole thing forward it would be nice to see more LTS support rather than yet another templating library. Not that most their languages are inherently better but some have a way of mitigating the problem slightly, like e.g. python's extensive std lib collection.

I am a backend engineer by trade, and I have been trying to learn me a little React because I decided I should learn new tech (not the stuff I use on a daily basis, which is Python) on side projects. So the backend is being done in Rust, and frontend is using React. I had this moment where I thought "well, I need Typescript, because I want nicely typed interfaces and contracts, and I need React". Turns out it's not e…

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Post by ryan_lane »

fb03 wrote: post #70

Sorry, but this is a rant. I am deeply saddened by the current state of affairs in the web today. in Javascript right now there are so many layers upon layers upon layers of DSLs and mannerisms on top of questionable language features which 'must be used' because the former language features are not cool anymore since a few days ago. The whole ecosystem is turning into a meme of itself. In a few months someone will r…

As someone who's always been somewhat mediocre at JS and html/css programming, but finds himself needing to build something new every few years. I'm constantly amazed at how much easier it's become to build something that I would have wanted to build before, but didn't have the experience or time to build.

I recently built a dashboard/reporting site for Neo4j that's completely config driven (delivered from the backend), which can refetch the config (with a gmail style "Settings have changed - Refresh" notification) and have only changed parts of the site update. It has tables with resizeable columns, filtering, search, ordering, virtualization, server side fetch, etc. It has progress charts, bar charts, counts, markdown rendering, json schema rendering. It has inputs that autocomplete, with single or multi-select. It's fully responsive, and works perfectly on desktops, tablets and phones.

If I would have tried to build this three years ago, I wouldn't have been able to do a fraction of these things. So, rant away, but the frontend community is amazing and they deserve way more credit than they get.

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Post by arcticbull »

erulabs wrote: post #115
arcticbull wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trying to make web3 go away is just as pointless as trying to make web2 go away. It's here, it's going to stick around. Web3 is not here lol, it’s literally nowhere. It’s a few Ponzi schemes grafted on top of some MySQL stores like OpenSea and Coinbase. This does not a revolution make.

You’re forgetting that it also has hoards of naysayers clamoring to be the loudest to say “it will never work”. So, at least in that limited sense, it very much feels revolutionary.

Sure but you’ll have folks doing that whether an idea is brilliant or utterly idiotic. That in and of itself doesn’t really mean anything other than the idea is polarizing.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by remram »

lsalvatore wrote: post #125
remram wrote: post #22

A site with no content and no feature. That's cool.

Yes, functionality would require skills, and skills require opinionated tools. Opinions require taking a stance, and that's the last thing anyone here wants to do.

I was trying to be snarky, implying that it's easy to make a site with no tech when that site has no feature and no content. I am quite curious at what you're trying to say, because I caught the sarcasm but none of your meaning.

Your first sentence goes my way, but then... I don't know.

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