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I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by root_axis »

johnisgood wrote: post #65
root_axis wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's supposed to be, and it is . Every domain points to a different node in the decentralized web. Just because some nodes are massively popular doesn't mean the technology is not decentralized. Popular nodes will always exist in every decentralized vision of the internet.

Yeah, so... why on Earth do people keep saying that it is centralized? I understand that for some there is nothing beyond Facebook, but that has to do with Facebook apps on the smartphones, restrictions or limitations at the smartphone-level, ISP-level, and so forth. Regardless, it is decentralized, so what is this decentralization based on blockchain bullshit? Do we need it? What problem does it solve? I hope that t…

I would argue it's demonstrably wrong to say that the web isn't decentralized, however the thing about web3 is that it means a dozen different things to different people. For some it's all about a vision of the web where everything is gated behind cryptocurrency payments, for some it's a world where websites, apps, and games rely on blockchain data instead of self-hosted DBs, for others it's a world where most software vendors have acquiesced to a business model where all digital products are minted as NFTs. There are many other visions, but in my view, all these ideas have glaring problems that make them fundamentally unworkable.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by acdha »

johnisgood wrote: post #65
root_axis wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's supposed to be, and it is . Every domain points to a different node in the decentralized web. Just because some nodes are massively popular doesn't mean the technology is not decentralized. Popular nodes will always exist in every decentralized vision of the internet.

Yeah, so... why on Earth do people keep saying that it is centralized? I understand that for some there is nothing beyond Facebook, but that has to do with Facebook apps on the smartphones, restrictions or limitations at the smartphone-level, ISP-level, and so forth. Regardless, it is decentralized, so what is this decentralization based on blockchain bullshit? Do we need it? What problem does it solve? I hope that t…

> Yeah, so... why on Earth do people keep saying that it is centralized?

Cryptocurrency culture fosters dishonesty: billions of dollars have been poured in by people who think it’s an investment they’ll get a large return from. The only way they profit is from other people putting real money in, which means everyone involved has to be a marketer.

That’s why crappy generative artwork will get talked up as nauseum, people will wax rhapsodic about logging in using a third-party service, etc.: the people saying that know they will lose money if the rest of us don’t agree that their random hashes are worth more than they put in.

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Post by fny »

_zzaw wrote: post #110
cobookman wrote: post #79

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The web is fairly decentralized though. Google could go down and the web would still operate. Amazon could go down, and the web would still operate. Yes there's a few centralized components still such-as DNS, but even that is heavily cached and distributed in nature. Blockchain could aid in replacing BGP & DNS allowing for a better web. But web3 is just as centralized as our current web, if not more centralized. For…

If I’m understanding the key feature of blockchain-based stuff, it’s that it’s not just decentralized but distributed, right? Content is replicated across a whole lot of computers, rather than just sitting on one, and any modifications made along the way are a matter of public record, and recorded in a way that’s hard to tamper with. Like a number of other people here, I primarily associate blockchain/crypto stuff wi…

This is NOT because of blockchain. This is because of IPFS.

These are two technologies that are being conflated because in theory crypto can be used to pay for IPFS.

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Post by trentprynn »

Funnily enough I recently did the same thing for my personal website[1][2]. Previously I had used create-react-app to build what was essentially some basic static HTML with styling and I took a step back and realized how insane it was that I had an entire build + deploy pipeline to show some basic information.

The website is currently 16.59KB transferred and it has the following - dark mode support - social media display support - basic, anonymous analytics using simpleanalytics

It's hosted for free using GitHub pages and a push to master immediately makes the changes available on the internet. Additionally GitHub manages all of the SSL certs so I don't even have to think about it. Compared to the SPAs I (and most WebDevs) write for work nowadays it was actually a breath of fresh air to take away so much!

[1] website: https://trentprynn.com/ [2] source: https://github.com/trentprynn/trentprynn.com

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by throwaway984393 »

fb03 wrote: post #70

Sorry, but this is a rant. I am deeply saddened by the current state of affairs in the web today. in Javascript right now there are so many layers upon layers upon layers of DSLs and mannerisms on top of questionable language features which 'must be used' because the former language features are not cool anymore since a few days ago. The whole ecosystem is turning into a meme of itself. In a few months someone will r…

The tech industry is completely dependent on throwing away anything that is finally half-stable, so they can convince VCs to shovel out more cash to rebuild everything in a new language, framework, system, protocol, app, etc.

If you look at what we actually do with the web, it's the same thing we were doing 20 years ago. Click on links, look at pictures of cats, chat with your friends on message boards and instant messenger, send e-mail, buy the occasional thing online, read the news, play games. If you changed none of the software, the result would be the same, but we would have saved a couple trillion dollars (or, alternately, not caused people to fork out a couple trillion dollars).

The only functional change today is much more streaming video, and instead of writing blogs, everyone's recording podcasts (which we had back then as "streaming audio" using IceCast).

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by NateEag »

zimbatm wrote: post #60

I wish browsers would render text/markdown. It's easy to write, theme, and host. I know it's not the best text format out there but it's reasonable to write and read for most cases.

It's not hard to generate a static collection of HTML from Markdown documents.

Pandoc is probably my favorite tool for that job:

https://pandoc.org/

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Post by Havoc »

dxbydt wrote: post #96

I made my first "professional" web0 page 25 years ago. I made twenty of them, in fact. Each of the 20 webpages belonged to a Computer Science professor in the CS department I was in. I got paid a grand total of $800 to do that. Of that, I paid $200 in rent to my landlord for my room and utilities. My monthly groceries were always under $100. The remaining $500 I diligently sent home to my poor mom & dad back in India…

haha that moment when something is so old it becomes cool again

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Post by ivan_gammel »

arnaudsm wrote: post #76
tehjoker wrote: post #42

It's funny that web3 is being sold as the decentralized web when that's what the internet architecture was literally designed for -- to survive an apocalyptic nuclear war. However, big players used their ability to purchase infrastructure and unforeseen flaws in the protocols to centralize much of the activity on the web. Lol if you think money can't do that to any decentralized architecture. One thing that would at…

I 100% agree. Imagine if self-hosting was taught in schools. Would Facebook and GMail be this big? I'm dreaming of an alternate universe where you read your friends microblogs through RSS, with the client and timeline algorithm of your choice. Everyone has his own mail server, with proper open-source spam filters. Open-source is a public service, receiving donations from governments. We were so close to this.

You are dreaming about “trust everybody” universe, which ceased to exist long time ago. This is still possible in an isolated bubble, but our society is closer to “trust nobody” at this moment, so regardless of the technology used your dream is just a dream. We were close to it only for a brief period of time, when the bubble was small and society within it relatively homogenous.
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