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I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by RedShift1 »

tehjoker wrote: post #42

It's funny that web3 is being sold as the decentralized web when that's what the internet architecture was literally designed for -- to survive an apocalyptic nuclear war. However, big players used their ability to purchase infrastructure and unforeseen flaws in the protocols to centralize much of the activity on the web. Lol if you think money can't do that to any decentralized architecture. One thing that would at…

IPv6 deployment removing the not giving consumers static IPs argument is a pipe dream. Many ISP's that deploy IPv6 don't guarantee you'll get the same prefix and in many cases you don't whenever your CPE loses connection even for just an instant. There is zero economic incentive for them to do that so why would they.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by IsThisYou »

dvt wrote: post #10

Ah, yes, I remember this from web0: Trying to make web3 go away is just as pointless as trying to make web2 go away. It's here, it's going to stick around. Yes, there's a lot of hype, it probably won't look the same in 10 years, and yes there's a lot of charlatans, but I think ignoring its importance is myopic.

Also didn't exist.

Don't remember if self closing like was possible in the HTML2 days.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by hpen »

friedman23 wrote: post #20
peanut_worm wrote: post #6

whats wrong with css

CSS and styling are immoral. Styling is used to manipulate readers. Content should stand on its own, anything that looks nice should be immediately met with skepticism. What are they trying to hide with their pretty background colors and hover styles? edit: also, can we talk about unneeded bloat? Those 5kb css files add up, how many tons are coal are burned every year because of all of those CSS files being downloade…

Is this trolling?

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by acdha »

dvt wrote: post #10

Ah, yes, I remember this from web0: Trying to make web3 go away is just as pointless as trying to make web2 go away. It's here, it's going to stick around. Yes, there's a lot of hype, it probably won't look the same in 10 years, and yes there's a lot of charlatans, but I think ignoring its importance is myopic.

> Trying to make web3 go away is just as pointless as trying to make web2 go away. It's here, it's going to stick around. Yes, there's a lot of hype, it probably won't look the same in 10 years, and yes there's a lot of charlatans, but I think ignoring its importance is myopic.

Web 1 and 2 were almost immediately popular because they had real things you could do better than the alternatives. The blockchain financial systems being marketed as “web3” aren’t here in any meaningful sense: if you aren’t interested in cryptocurrency speculation, there’s very little reason to care about it (this is staggeringly unlike the earlier web), and a micro-transaction system for rich people with more centralized infrastructure is a big reversal — especially since exactly none of it works in any way without using the real web.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by lsalvatore »

fb03 wrote: post #70

Sorry, but this is a rant. I am deeply saddened by the current state of affairs in the web today. in Javascript right now there are so many layers upon layers upon layers of DSLs and mannerisms on top of questionable language features which 'must be used' because the former language features are not cool anymore since a few days ago. The whole ecosystem is turning into a meme of itself. In a few months someone will r…

JavaScript framework churn (on the frontend) ended 6 years ago. The only thing keeping this meme going is commenters on HN.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

arnaudsm wrote: post #76
tehjoker wrote: post #42

It's funny that web3 is being sold as the decentralized web when that's what the internet architecture was literally designed for -- to survive an apocalyptic nuclear war. However, big players used their ability to purchase infrastructure and unforeseen flaws in the protocols to centralize much of the activity on the web. Lol if you think money can't do that to any decentralized architecture. One thing that would at…

I 100% agree. Imagine if self-hosting was taught in schools. Would Facebook and GMail be this big? I'm dreaming of an alternate universe where you read your friends microblogs through RSS, with the client and timeline algorithm of your choice. Everyone has his own mail server, with proper open-source spam filters. Open-source is a public service, receiving donations from governments. We were so close to this.

I’m sure they would be. You ship your org chart, so large organizations that move quickly will ship bulky applications. It’s very hard to make those applications smaller without slowing development considerably. Moreover, it’s not like there was a dearth of system administration experience at Google around the time GMail was conceived.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by easrng »

zimbatm wrote: post #60

I wish browsers would render text/markdown. It's easy to write, theme, and host. I know it's not the best text format out there but it's reasonable to write and read for most cases.

I'm making an addon for Firefox (not sure if it will work on chrome) that renders markdown and gemtext right now actually. It's not on AMO yet, but you can get it from https://github.com/easrng/txtpage

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by tailspin2019 »

cookingoils wrote: post #49
f0e4c2f7 wrote: post #21

I was expecting plain text. Don't be shy. Browsers will serve up basically anything.

Here's my old website: https://archive.elliott.computer/old-index.txt

Plain text?? I was expecting binary.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by throwawaycities »

krapp wrote: post #67
tehjoker wrote: post #42

It's funny that web3 is being sold as the decentralized web when that's what the internet architecture was literally designed for -- to survive an apocalyptic nuclear war. However, big players used their ability to purchase infrastructure and unforeseen flaws in the protocols to centralize much of the activity on the web. Lol if you think money can't do that to any decentralized architecture. One thing that would at…

They didn't do anything to the architecture. The fact that most people spend most of their time on a few websites doesn't centralize the architecture at all, or even the web, it only centralizes attention.

DNS/root servers/ICANN are fundamental architecture of the internet that are centralized.

People either forget, or weren’t around, when domains names were thought of and treated much like NFTs are today. There was a small group of early adopters but for the most part big business considered websites/domain names something akin to digital monopoly money, just a play thing with no relation to the real world.

In the early days even the law and courts didn’t know how to treat claims over domain names. Now ICANN dictates DNS rules worldwide and streamlines the process for businesses to take domains according to ICANN rules.

There are many examples of new decentralized architecture and protocols being built for web3 and the decentralized web, like:

IPFS: a p2p alternative to https

ENS: a decentralized domain name protocol as a alternative to DNS

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Post by _zzaw »

cobookman wrote: post #79
tehjoker wrote: post #42

It's funny that web3 is being sold as the decentralized web when that's what the internet architecture was literally designed for -- to survive an apocalyptic nuclear war. However, big players used their ability to purchase infrastructure and unforeseen flaws in the protocols to centralize much of the activity on the web. Lol if you think money can't do that to any decentralized architecture. One thing that would at…

The web is fairly decentralized though. Google could go down and the web would still operate. Amazon could go down, and the web would still operate. Yes there's a few centralized components still such-as DNS, but even that is heavily cached and distributed in nature. Blockchain could aid in replacing BGP & DNS allowing for a better web. But web3 is just as centralized as our current web, if not more centralized. For…

If I’m understanding the key feature of blockchain-based stuff, it’s that it’s not just decentralized but distributed, right? Content is replicated across a whole lot of computers, rather than just sitting on one, and any modifications made along the way are a matter of public record, and recorded in a way that’s hard to tamper with.

Like a number of other people here, I primarily associate blockchain/crypto stuff with tech-bro huckster types, but the underlying tech does seem to have some interesting properties. Anybody remember Publius? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_(publishing_system)

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