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I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

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Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

#71
post #16

just to be a bit picky - it technically has some CSS albeit in a style tag: ... is it now web1?

okay i'll remove if it will make you happy : )

If you want your bigger font back, change the DOCTYPE to HTML4 and use a good ol' tag instead!

    foobar

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

#72

whats wrong with css

CSS and styling are immoral. Styling is used to manipulate readers. Content should stand on its own, anything that looks nice should be immediately met with skepticism. What are they trying to hide with their pretty background colors and hover styles? edit: also, can we talk about unneeded bloat? Those 5kb css files add up, how many tons are coal are burned every year because of all of those CSS files being downloade…

I like the way you think here. Less is more. Using less allows the rest to do more.

"When you speak, it is silent. When you are silent, it speaks" - Zen Koan

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

#74
post #67

It's funny that web3 is being sold as the decentralized web when that's what the internet architecture was literally designed for -- to survive an apocalyptic nuclear war. However, big players used their ability to purchase infrastructure and unforeseen flaws in the protocols to centralize much of the activity on the web. Lol if you think money can't do that to any decentralized architecture. One thing that would at…

They didn't do anything to the architecture. The fact that most people spend most of their time on a few websites doesn't centralize the architecture at all, or even the web, it only centralizes attention.

I'm not claiming they did something to the architecture and it definitely doesn't solve the problem you identified. More that this flaw in the difference between userbase growth and the protocol made it very difficult to have the kind of vibrant consumer-to-consumer architectures that could have potentially competed. Nowadays, probably ddos and things like that are other barriers. However, I do think that IPv6 does at least remove a fundamental limiter even if that alone isn't enough.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

#75
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Web3, also known as Web 3.0, is an idea for a new iteration of the World Wide Web Cool, cool... > that incorporates decentralization based on blockchains k bye

> Web 3.0 In my mind, Web 3.0 was synonymous with the Semantic Web .

Same here. After web 2.0, next one was supposed to be about the semantic web.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

#76

It's funny that web3 is being sold as the decentralized web when that's what the internet architecture was literally designed for -- to survive an apocalyptic nuclear war. However, big players used their ability to purchase infrastructure and unforeseen flaws in the protocols to centralize much of the activity on the web. Lol if you think money can't do that to any decentralized architecture. One thing that would at…

I 100% agree. Imagine if self-hosting was taught in schools. Would Facebook and GMail be this big?

I'm dreaming of an alternate universe where you read your friends microblogs through RSS, with the client and timeline algorithm of your choice. Everyone has his own mail server, with proper open-source spam filters. Open-source is a public service, receiving donations from governments. We were so close to this.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

#77
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Web3, also known as Web 3.0, is an idea for a new iteration of the World Wide Web Cool, cool... > that incorporates decentralization based on blockchains k bye

> Web 3.0 In my mind, Web 3.0 was synonymous with the Semantic Web .

Right, we're somewhere up around Angular or React version numbers of web.X at this point

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

#78
post #70

Sorry, but this is a rant. I am deeply saddened by the current state of affairs in the web today. in Javascript right now there are so many layers upon layers upon layers of DSLs and mannerisms on top of questionable language features which 'must be used' because the former language features are not cool anymore since a few days ago. The whole ecosystem is turning into a meme of itself. In a few months someone will r…

The amount of reinvention in the JS space is mind boggling. While this works to drive the whole thing forward it would be nice to see more LTS support rather than yet another templating library.

Not that most their languages are inherently better but some have a way of mitigating the problem slightly, like e.g. python's extensive std lib collection.

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

#79

It's funny that web3 is being sold as the decentralized web when that's what the internet architecture was literally designed for -- to survive an apocalyptic nuclear war. However, big players used their ability to purchase infrastructure and unforeseen flaws in the protocols to centralize much of the activity on the web. Lol if you think money can't do that to any decentralized architecture. One thing that would at…

The web is fairly decentralized though. Google could go down and the web would still operate. Amazon could go down, and the web would still operate.

Yes there's a few centralized components still such-as DNS, but even that is heavily cached and distributed in nature.

Blockchain could aid in replacing BGP & DNS allowing for a better web. But web3 is just as centralized as our current web, if not more centralized. For example, abracadabra money get's current crypto prices from a "price oracle" which is a consortium of 16 parties who state what they feel the price should be. I wouldn't call that "Decentralized"

Re: I made my first web0 website today. It's so cool it just works

#80
post #26

It's both pleasing and a little disappointing to see this being "marketed" under the name "web0" --- especially on a "nonstandard" TLD. All websites used to be simple handwritten hyperlinked pages. I guess what's old is new again? Of course, Big Tech would want you to use its browser (not browser_s_) and indulge in the insane complexity of "the web stack" which guarantees its monopoly, but it doesn't have to be that…

CanIuse should have a page that lists all of the browser features that are supported by all browsers and in the same way. Of course it's not as simple as that, but in short, what has a green square across the current versions of all browsers? Green-green, not half-stepping green.

What would that presentation be useful for? They certainly have the data, but I have trouble thinking of a situation where I would want that kind of list.
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