Back when they had a developer survey, one of my feedbacks was essentially to get rid of App Review completely: not to try to fix it or reduce it but to literally shut the entire thing down. It really is that useless.
A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process
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Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't appreciate the insinuation. The level of severity should not gate how people feel about this specific issue.
Let's lift it out of insinuation territory, then: I think you have an underdeveloped sense of respect for personal liberty and I think that if you won a victory on this front it would embolden you to continue chipping away at other liberties to further your circle of control. People love crusading against vices because the feeling of moral authority is heady and addictive. One hit is never enough. The concept of libe…
I don't disagree. I won't pretend to know how I would act if limiting porn consumption was actually implemented. But ignoring the thousands of people who self-report an ironically similar addictive experience you just described, but for porn, is dismissive and self-centered.
Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process
#133> In the case of Tumblr, this would be a reviewer going to search, typing in something like 'tits’ and finding porn. Just want to emphasize this part. App Store Reviewers are completely asinine. Like, dumb as a rock. It’d almost be funny if their stupidity didn’t block your app approval. To be explicitly clear: if your app contains UGC, they will explicitly go and search for things to ding you on, and then fault you…
> They will go to the search bar and type in “milf” or “butts” (I wish I were joking). They’ll try to search for drugs on your marketplace. I don’t understand why you think that’s dumb. This is what people who download the app will do, so they’re trying out real scenarios that will happen. They don’t want to have there be a segment on the nightly news saying, “App Store Full of Porn!” Which is what will happen in the…
Is Safari not able to search for porn on iOS ? Or is Apple only trying to protect their revenue sources ?
Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't agree, but even if true, the developer can influence the perceived value of their smaller or newer application.
> the developer can influence the perceived value of their smaller or newer application by influence you mean "conform"?
No. This goes back to the original soft skills comment. Developers who can convince app review that they have a solid and trustworthy process, and more successfully escalate and have conversations about the review process, and frame their app differently to change the perspective of review, are able to get more interesting USG into their app (the opposite of conforming.)
The problem, as I said earlier, is that indies have no chance of spending enough time developing their app and also having time to do this or of hiring someone to do this. This is where the gatekeeping comes from. I think it actually keeps them from launching and growing, not just publish with neutered content (what you call conforming.)
Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process
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> . This is what people who download the app will do, so they’re trying out real scenarios that will happen let's ban browsers then or chat apps or sharing apps and why not apps in general that play images and videos and that enable people to send aforementioned images and videos? you know what? now that I think about it, let's ban the smart (computing) part from iPhone. but let's not stop there, let's ban the phone…
>> . This is what people who download the app will do, so they’re trying out real scenarios that will happen > let's ban browsers then or chat apps or sharing apps you joke, but telegram had to implement porn-filters for group chats on ios/macos.
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Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes because limiting a vice based on what a few people “firmly believe” has always worked so smoothly and successfully in the past and has never caused any major societal issues. Worked so well in America for alcohol and drugs, why not give it a shot with porn too?
I didn't say ban. Unless you're for kids drinking at age 9 we're on the same page. And it's more than a few people at this point.
I am pretty sure the law does not deter any 9 years olds from drinking alcohol. I would even say that it is not because of the law that people do not give alcohol to their 9 years old kid. If it truly is because of the law, you have bigger issues I believe.
Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They will go to the search bar and type in “milf” or “butts” (I wish I were joking). They’ll try to search for drugs on your marketplace. If your app runs scripts, they’ll try downloading something and then yell at you for letting them do it This is all just fictional garbage, which you totally made-up. I’ve been through hundreds of app reviews, and if a problem is ever found (rarely) the reviews are always polite,…
Well I guess my own experiences with Apple reviews must be fictional garbage too then! (I should clarify that, like GP, I am referring to the substance of the review, not the tone.)
> Well I guess my own experiences with Apple reviews must be fictional garbage too then!
This has fallen off the front page, so I’m asking out of real curiosity:
1. Have you genuinely had an app rejection that states that the reviewer typed “milf” (or something equivalently unlikely) into a search bar - and that is given as the reason for the rejection? ie: how else does the OP know this is the actual reason?
2. Do you genuinely believe Apple employees have yelled at the OP during an app dispute?
I absolutely think it’s just made-up lying fantasies. But I’m willing to reverse that if anyone supplies some contrary proof.
Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't say ban. Unless you're for kids drinking at age 9 we're on the same page. And it's more than a few people at this point.
I am pretty sure the law does not deter any 9 years olds from drinking alcohol. I would even say that it is not because of the law that people do not give alcohol to their 9 years old kid. If it truly is because of the law, you have bigger issues I believe.
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His analogy is perfectly consistent. There are laws prohibiting minors from purchasing alchoholic drinks. In the same way, porn can be restricted from minors. He is just saying that there needs to be strict enforcement of a law against porn to protect minors.
I guess your argument is that there is no need for a law against alchoholic drinks since there is common sense to not give alchohol to minors and for minors to not drink alchohol.
But the existence of laws regulating alchoholic drinks purchase suggests that common sense is not enough and laws need to be created for it.
Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process
#139The old man in me thinks why bother participating in the App Store shenanigans at all in the first place? Why take all the stress? Just make something for the open web and enjoy life. But, if no one speaks up, then the situation is going to only get worse. We don’t have a choice today, as Android ecosystem is worse than iOS. So here we are, almost 2022, still fighting extremely arrogant companies and walled gardens.…
Personally I don't and just release web apps. But if I was a for-profit company you can likely attract more customers by releasing an iOS app. Unfortunately the costs of complying with their policies are lower than the profit available.
On the other hand I don't see why users are happy to let Apple dictate which apps they are allowed to install. But as long as users are satisfied with that I understand why companies put up with it.
Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am pretty sure the law does not deter any 9 years olds from drinking alcohol. I would even say that it is not because of the law that people do not give alcohol to their 9 years old kid. If it truly is because of the law, you have bigger issues I believe.
? His analogy is perfectly consistent. There are laws prohibiting minors from purchasing alchoholic drinks. In the same way, porn can be restricted from minors. He is just saying that there needs to be strict enforcement of a law against porn to protect minors. I guess your argument is that there is no need for a law against alchoholic drinks since there is common sense to not give alchohol to minors and for minors t…
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