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Re: Ask HN: Please recommend a router without need for a cloud account

#91
I am using Ubiquiti Unifi hardware.

You can run it without cloud account if you wish so. You do not loose any very important functionality.

In particular the Cloud Key actually does not require cloud to function, it is actually a webapp running locally that lets you manage your local infrastructure.

Re: Ask HN: Please recommend a router without need for a cloud account

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Any system capable of running OpenWRT. https://openwrt.org/supported_devices You might find / inquire about specific devices at the OpenWRT subreddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/openwrt/ The Turris Omnia is priced above your preferred range, but is effectively a small server and has excellent capabilities. It runs a specifically-tuned and live-upgradable version of OpenWRT: https://www.turris.com/en/omnia/overview/

IMHO, skip OpenWRT. It is much more difficult to get working correctly than HN likes to admit. There’s a non-trivial chance you will spend hours and hours reflashing your router and reading forum posts until you eventually brick it. It’s just like Raspberry Pis. Theoretically the right choice but practically speaking a huge time sink and poor, unstable experience that is best left to hobbiest tinkering or networking…

I don't really see what you're talking about. I've flashed all of my routers and _never_ had a problem.

Maybe the thing that took me the most time was to decide which version to use or whether I should use openwrt vs tomato vs other competitors

Re: Ask HN: Please recommend a router without need for a cloud account

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Any system capable of running OpenWRT. https://openwrt.org/supported_devices You might find / inquire about specific devices at the OpenWRT subreddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/openwrt/ The Turris Omnia is priced above your preferred range, but is effectively a small server and has excellent capabilities. It runs a specifically-tuned and live-upgradable version of OpenWRT: https://www.turris.com/en/omnia/overview/

I'd personally recommend FreshTomato[0] over OpenWRT, as it has a more approachable UI, is still open-source, and (in my experience) tends to run a bit smoother while needing less babysitting.

[0]: https://freshtomato.org/

Re: Ask HN: Please recommend a router without need for a cloud account

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OpenWRT is definitely the single best option, however there is very limited support for the WiFi6 routers. If you're upgrading to 6 or 6E, as I was this last month, I found few options for OpenWRT. However, I already operate OPNSense as my primary router, and all WiFi "routers" on the network act as Access Points and do no routing. OPNSense provides granular control over the network, and offers all the services you w…

I have given up on trying to find a consumer all-in-one router/ap combo and just have a dedicated router and dedicated access points. You can simply block all the Internet traffic for your access points and you will have more options to pick from for the router part. I am now running on a NanoPi R2S with some TP-Link Omada access points and I didn't have to touch anything for almost two years since I decided on this…

I have dedicated APs but don’t have a nice router.

I haven’t figured out if using APs for Wi-Fi and using my ISP’s router for routing loses me any speed. Does anyone think an additional NAT layer could improve performance?

I imagine it’s features vs performance

Re: Ask HN: Please recommend a router without need for a cloud account

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Protectli boxes running OPNsense seem good. A bit more expensive though. I advocate separating APs and WiFi from router.

May I ask why you advocate for such separation?

a) all-in-one is often a compromise, e.g. people might like a a relatively plain Linux or BSD to do routing - best on "boring" hardware, but you don't get the best WiFi performance on such hardware. Whereas APs/integrated routers don't necessarily run such OSes best, have driver issues for newest standards etc.

b) incoming internet connection is often in a corner somewhere. Best position for an AP is elsewhere. If that's a problem depends on how you get internet and what the place looks like.

Re: Ask HN: Please recommend a router without need for a cloud account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently can also run OpenWRT, though I haven't tried and it's not clear to me if everything is well-supported.

I'm running openWRT on my edgerouterX, and so far (about 2 months) everything has been really well supported including hardware offloading of various features. In most cases, I'm getting better than stock performance. UI is much better too. I'm a big fan.

I didn't know this was an option but I'm definitely going to look into it now. I just bought one of these for my home lab.

Re: Ask HN: Please recommend a router without need for a cloud account

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Any router (or routerboard) that supports Mikrotik: https://mikrotik.com/ You don't have to buy from them the hardware. I used to use OpenWRT (which is also a nice second option), but the robustness and flexibility of mikrotik is fantastic.

I have had a Mikrotik device for about 5 years now and it doesn't require a cloud login but you better be ready to learn the nuances of the Mikrotik system. It is far too easy to accidentally open up your internal network through misconfiguration.

The wizards for network setup make this much easier but be ready for a steep learning curve.

Re: Ask HN: Please recommend a router without need for a cloud account

#99

FritzBox 7530. That's all I use. Cons: A bit above your stated price point; not sure what international availability is like. https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Router-Supervectoring-Server-Suit...

When I got a FritzBox sort of by accident was when I stopped using an old PC as a router. FritzBoxes can really do a lot.

Re: Ask HN: Please recommend a router without need for a cloud account

#100

OpenWRT is definitely the single best option, however there is very limited support for the WiFi6 routers. If you're upgrading to 6 or 6E, as I was this last month, I found few options for OpenWRT. However, I already operate OPNSense as my primary router, and all WiFi "routers" on the network act as Access Points and do no routing. OPNSense provides granular control over the network, and offers all the services you w…

I don't recommend custom router firmware to anyone that isn't 1) confident in their ability to troubleshoot problems you will definitely have and 2) at least somewhat intrigued at the prospect of spending several hours troubleshooting their router.

Even though I still maintain my hacker mindset, as I get older, the more I fall into "I just want it to work."
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