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Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process

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Post by satsuma »

daoismyname wrote: post #64
thewebcount wrote: post #40

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> They will go to the search bar and type in “milf” or “butts” (I wish I were joking). They’ll try to search for drugs on your marketplace. I don’t understand why you think that’s dumb. This is what people who download the app will do, so they’re trying out real scenarios that will happen. They don’t want to have there be a segment on the nightly news saying, “App Store Full of Porn!” Which is what will happen in the…

> . This is what people who download the app will do, so they’re trying out real scenarios that will happen let's ban browsers then or chat apps or sharing apps and why not apps in general that play images and videos and that enable people to send aforementioned images and videos? you know what? now that I think about it, let's ban the smart (computing) part from iPhone. but let's not stop there, let's ban the phone…

>> . This is what people who download the app will do, so they’re trying out real scenarios that will happen

> let's ban browsers then or chat apps or sharing apps

you joke, but telegram had to implement porn-filters for group chats on ios/macos.

Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process

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Post by grishka »

19h wrote: post #114
grishka wrote: post #93

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Oh yeah. At my previous job at a large Russian social media company, I remember our app getting rejected over this. They went to the video section, disabled safe search, and searched "porn". Lo and behold, naked people came up! And this was the reason for rejection. Like, what tf did you expect to see by doing that, cat videos?! And it's not corporate America, so our ToS did not disallow porn. From our point of view,…

Was this Russian social media company Vkontakte?

Yes.

Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process

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Post by jjoonathan »

dcoo wrote: post #119
jjoonathan wrote: post #115

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Also, anyone who feels entitled to impose on others for a cause this mild clearly has an underdeveloped respect for personal liberty and isn't going to stop there.

I don't appreciate the insinuation. The level of severity should not gate how people feel about this specific issue.

Let's lift it out of insinuation territory, then: I think you have an underdeveloped sense of respect for personal liberty and I think that if you won a victory on this front it would embolden you to continue chipping away at other liberties to further your circle of control. People love crusading against vices because the feeling of moral authority is heady and addictive. One hit is never enough.

The concept of liberty is how we rein in this dark tendency.

Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process

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Post by artpi »

will4274 wrote: post #113
artpi wrote: post #110

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It is the whole truth. App users come back more often and Apple deserves their share of credit

Um... Do you not see his this post is contradictory? In your last post, you said the reason was user expectation. Here you first say that's the whole truth, them immediately contradict yourself and say it's actually about stickiness, not expectations - apps are more addictive than webpages - a reason totally different than the "whole truth" you gave previously.

The App form factor is better suited to the user mental model of something they use daily. It has both higher stickiness AND it slots with their expectations. I made a mental shortcut of bundling these 2 together.

By definition I cannot provide the entire truth because only a slice of reality is available to me.

As such, the only "not contradictory" response to "is this entire truth" is no. Ergo you are correct.

Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process

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Post by smoldesu »

go_prodev wrote: post #66

It appears that the apple tax and review process is a constant problem for iOS developers (according to many linked articles on HN) If it genuinely is a big problem, why don't the apps band together and advertise the problem to their users? I'm guessing many users don't know/care right now, but might pay attention if the app they love suddenly pulls the plug on iOS. Edit: like a union

They are advertising it, that's what this is. They're just not in a position to bargain though; Apple has proven time-after-time that they won't make changes to their policy unless faced with significant legal backlash. If you're a big developer, pulling iOS support would threaten your userbase and create a vacuum for lookalikes to take over your place, which is especially bad considering how Apple has no policy for curating "clone" apps. If you're a small developer, you're basically shooting yourself in the foot by not offering cross-platform support of your content, and losing out on a chunk of the revenue that you need to continue development. It's a catch-22, and a fairly well-engineered one at that.

Apple won't care about this unless legislators do. They defended their 30% cut as a necessary and inexorable part of the App Store experience until the Epic case, where they announced that actually they can make do with 15%, and maintain the same level of quality. I think we're forgetting how much of a bargaining chip Epic had, too; Fortnite, at it's apex, could not convince Apple to bend their rules regarding app distribution.

The only solution here is sideloading, the only question is how long it's going to take before the government lays down the law.

Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process

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Post by will4274 »

artpi wrote: post #125
will4274 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um... Do you not see his this post is contradictory? In your last post, you said the reason was user expectation. Here you first say that's the whole truth, them immediately contradict yourself and say it's actually about stickiness, not expectations - apps are more addictive than webpages - a reason totally different than the "whole truth" you gave previously.

The App form factor is better suited to the user mental model of something they use daily. It has both higher stickiness AND it slots with their expectations. I made a mental shortcut of bundling these 2 together. By definition I cannot provide the entire truth because only a slice of reality is available to me. As such, the only "not contradictory" response to "is this entire truth" is no. Ergo you are correct.

I don't expect it to be an app. Why do you direct me to the webpage? Is it because you think I'll use your service more if it's an app? That's something you are doing for *you*, taking advantage of my addictive behavior, not something you are doing for *my* expectation.

It's not a partial truth in a tautological way. I'm saying something meaningful - please assume good faith and engage in good faith.

Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process

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Post by pixl97 »

daoismyname wrote: post #64
thewebcount wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They will go to the search bar and type in “milf” or “butts” (I wish I were joking). They’ll try to search for drugs on your marketplace. I don’t understand why you think that’s dumb. This is what people who download the app will do, so they’re trying out real scenarios that will happen. They don’t want to have there be a segment on the nightly news saying, “App Store Full of Porn!” Which is what will happen in the…

> . This is what people who download the app will do, so they’re trying out real scenarios that will happen let's ban browsers then or chat apps or sharing apps and why not apps in general that play images and videos and that enable people to send aforementioned images and videos? you know what? now that I think about it, let's ban the smart (computing) part from iPhone. but let's not stop there, let's ban the phone…

Stop giving Apple exec's ideas, they might be reading this site.

Re: A Tumblr developer on the App Store approval process

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Post by cblconfederate »

artpi wrote: post #109
cblconfederate wrote: post #94

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But you're incentivizing that behavior. How does that help (and tumblr is a blog, it s more usable as a website than as a website-in-an-app

Our main business is not fighting Apple, although we support the open web quite a bit by leading the WordPress project https://www.protocol.com/matt-mullenweg

Sorry i m not trying to fight you nor did i say you have to fight apple, just maybe don't shove the app store on people's faces (I bet you don't have a "view tumblr on the web" link in the app). I m very grateful about wordpress , and we need more things to be open like wordpress , not gated behind overlords.
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