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Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Post by nojokes »

simonsarris wrote: post #2

This paper essentially argues that the risk of myocarditis in under-40 males getting 2 shots is greater (perhaps much greater) than the risk of getting it from COVID. There have been similar studies before, but none (that I saw) broken down by age and sex like this. It reads: > Despite more myocarditis events occurring in older persons, the risk following COVID-19 vaccination was largely restricted to younger males a…

This preprint is actually a companion paper to their already published paper in Nature where they do not stratify by age and sex together.

In principle this is bad because we know already very well that it affects more young men.

I think they made the situation even worse by stratifying only for myocarditis and not for pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias that according to their paper are much more likely with COVID-19 because it did not register at all for vaccines.

This means that people are now getting a very wrong/incomplete picture of the risk benefit relationship.

Naturally cardiac issues are not the only possible problems because COVID-19 is systemic disease that can affect many organs and can cause a lot of trouble even without hospitalization.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Post by nradov »

fivea wrote: post #147
yonaguska wrote: post #69

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> given the rate of deaths are 10-20x worse than the worst flu years. I have a hard time accepting this premise. Mostly because the flu was somehow eradicated at the outset of mass covid testing, many of the covid tests did not distinguish between the flu and covid. Furthermore, I believe that we actually responded to covid in a way that caused excess covid deaths by over counting deaths and actively suppressing unpa…

> Mostly because the flu was somehow eradicated at the outset of mass covid testing (...) Perhaps all those basic public health measures implemented to contain and eliminate the spread of air borne diseases such as COVID or the flu is a factor? I mean,the lockdowns alone have a clear and critical and measurable (and measured) impact in lowering the spread of COVID. Wouldn't it be possible that staying away from peopl…

Attempts to measure the impact of lockdowns have produced a wide range of results. The impact is far from clear and there are numerous confounding variables that are impossible to control. The data has been manipulated for political purposes on both sides of the issue.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Post by hnuser847 »

justin66 wrote: post #164
hnuser847 wrote: post #38

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I don't think that's the right question to ask. Obviously my chances of surviving COVID would be higher with the vaccine than without. The real question is, which has an overall higher risk for someone of my age, sex, and health status, a COVID infection or the vaccine? I honestly don't know the answer to that question.

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A doctor can't provide me with data that doesn't exist. I actually did ask a friend who's an ER doc about whether or not I should get one of the mRNA boosters, given that I have a history of pericarditis. He said that, based on the available studies, the risk of getting pericarditis/myocarditis from COVID is far greater than the risk of getting it from the vaccine, but he also conceded that he didn't know of any studies that specifically examined the risk for someone who has a history of pericarditis.

Also, the study that we're all discussing here is a preprint that was posted on December 25th, so this age-stratified data obviously wasn't available when I decided to get the booster on the 17th.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Post by justin66 »

hnuser847 wrote: post #173
justin66 wrote: post #164

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A doctor can't provide me with data that doesn't exist. I actually did ask a friend who's an ER doc about whether or not I should get one of the mRNA boosters, given that I have a history of pericarditis. He said that, based on the available studies, the risk of getting pericarditis/myocarditis from COVID is far greater than the risk of getting it from the vaccine, but he also conceded that he didn't know of any stud…

My point was that you're going to get terrible advice here, so what the hell are you even doing?

The overall level of intellect displayed in Hacker News COVID threads is of the holy shit, there goes my faith in humanity level of quality. Just my opinion but you are barking up the wrong tree here. (these are important questions for a person who has been treated for a heart condition to bring up with their doctor)

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Post by justin66 »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #167
mhh__ wrote: post #106

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100% chance of what exactly?

100% chance of getting "exposed" to the risk of vaccine induced myocarditis because you make the choice to get the vaccine.

A "100% chance" of possibly experiencing an extremely low probability event.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Post by hnuser847 »

justin66 wrote: post #174
hnuser847 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A doctor can't provide me with data that doesn't exist. I actually did ask a friend who's an ER doc about whether or not I should get one of the mRNA boosters, given that I have a history of pericarditis. He said that, based on the available studies, the risk of getting pericarditis/myocarditis from COVID is far greater than the risk of getting it from the vaccine, but he also conceded that he didn't know of any stud…

My point was that you're going to get terrible advice here, so what the hell are you even doing? The overall level of intellect displayed in Hacker News COVID threads is of the holy shit, there goes my faith in humanity level of quality. Just my opinion but you are barking up the wrong tree here. (these are important questions for a person who has been treated for a heart condition to bring up with their doctor )

Who said I'm looking for advice? I came here to discuss the findings of the study, which are relevant to me as an under-40 male.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Post by TechBro8615 »

justin66 wrote: post #174
hnuser847 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A doctor can't provide me with data that doesn't exist. I actually did ask a friend who's an ER doc about whether or not I should get one of the mRNA boosters, given that I have a history of pericarditis. He said that, based on the available studies, the risk of getting pericarditis/myocarditis from COVID is far greater than the risk of getting it from the vaccine, but he also conceded that he didn't know of any stud…

My point was that you're going to get terrible advice here, so what the hell are you even doing? The overall level of intellect displayed in Hacker News COVID threads is of the holy shit, there goes my faith in humanity level of quality. Just my opinion but you are barking up the wrong tree here. (these are important questions for a person who has been treated for a heart condition to bring up with their doctor )

> The overall level of intellect displayed in Hacker News COVID threads is of the holy shit, there goes my faith in humanity level of quality.

Weird, this is one of the only forums online where I can read relatively civil, data-based discussions between people with opposing viewpoints that don’t devolve into calling each other anti-vaxxers or sheep.

Sure there is the typical HN Dunning-Krueger noise from computer scientists discussing biology, but overall I enjoy reading the exchanges in these threads.

There’s really not an equivalent forum on Reddit or Twitter with this high quality discussion around narrative-busting data.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Post by scotty79 »

simonsarris wrote: post #2

This paper essentially argues that the risk of myocarditis in under-40 males getting 2 shots is greater (perhaps much greater) than the risk of getting it from COVID. There have been similar studies before, but none (that I saw) broken down by age and sex like this. It reads: > Despite more myocarditis events occurring in older persons, the risk following COVID-19 vaccination was largely restricted to younger males a…

I've seen similar research about the risk of miocarditis.

They compared people after vaccination to themselves before vaccination and calculated the increase.

My concern is that after vaccination people changed their behavior exposing themselves more to humans and all the viruses and bacteria capable of infecting humans most of which were never researched for their effect on rusk of miocarditis.

This additional risk in this particular age group and gender might be because they (possibly) changed their social behavior the most after they got vaccinated.

Re: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex [pdf]

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Post by logic_beats_pro »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #66
jMyles wrote: post #54

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> Is r/lockdownskepticism also skeptical of vaccination? It's a very heterogenous sub, but I don't think you'll find the kind of anti-vax thinking that suggests that, eg, childhood vaccination is unhelpful to a society, if that's what you're asking. If you are asking more strictly about sentiment toward the currently available SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, I think that by and large we think they're a marvel of engineering, bu…

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