Russian court accidentally confirmed Russian military presence in Ukraine

Post by lenkite » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 8:02 AM UTC

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scottLobster wrote: post #197

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The question is less about NATO deployments and more the will of NATO leadership to go to war with Russia over its more minor members. I hate to say it but the Afghanistan withdrawal really showed what happens when Americans stop giving a shit, and they probably don't give that much of a shit about Latvia. Who's going to step into that gap for NATO? Poland recently ran a military exercise simulating a war with Russia…

What rational reason would Russia have to invade the Baltic States (or even for example Poland)? Even in best case scenario if the west does not directly intervene, they would get an additional few million people almost all of whom absolutely don't want to live in Russia and whom Russia could barely afford to police and a lot of additional economic sanctions. Also we're totally ignoring the internal political fallout…

Post by gritzko » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 2:43 PM UTC

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I observe the Ukrainian drama for many years. I strongly suspect that the actual game maybe the opposite of the picture in the media. Ukraine is looted to the bone and the economy is in downward spiral. The beneficiaries of the looting may need a war to write it all off. Meanwhile, if Putin takes Ukraine, he would shoulder a giant pile of debt, plus the responsibility for everything that happens. So the actual game m…

Okay, have you ever been to Ukraine? What does it mean - looted to the bone? Why do you think Ukraine is that much different to Russia? Ukraine GDP is improving from 2016 till now, even with pandemic. Some industries, like software and agriculture are growing at a great rate. Yet, some guy who watches Russian TV is painting absurd picture Again, you don't know how external debt works, debt had nothing to do with coll…

Post by torstenvl » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 2:46 AM UTC

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That isn't how fault works. None of the misfortune I've suffered in my life would have happened if my father had never impregnated my mother, therefore it's all his fault and I'm his victim? No. "But for" causation has zero moral import whatsoever. Stop spewing your ax-grindy propaganda.

So essentially your claim is that invading a country is not the cause for subsequent million victims of said invasion. You still don't see it, do you? You have been brainwashed into believing that war mongering is somehow not pure evil as long as it's done by US.

Post by neffy » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 11:54 PM UTC

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Nope... no battalions in Iceland.

Perhaps the comment was edited, but there is no wording in the current post that states battlegroups are in Iceland just that Iceland contributes to battlegroups in other countries.