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Re: Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by Linosaurus »

basch wrote: post #185
forgotmyoldname wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the same time, there are people who lost their wallet and RIP to all that potential wealth. And then there are people who had their computer stolen/broken and then just downloaded Steam on a new device and had their games and saves ready to go. Not that I'm defending centralized services like Steam, because I'm very well aware that companies have happily wielded their power to randomly lock people out of their acc…

>At the same time, there are people who lost their wallet and RIP to all that potential wealth. Back up your password, in a safe deposit box, at a bank. >And then there are people who had their computer stolen/broken and then just downloaded Steam on a new device and had their games and saves ready to go. Back up your password, in a safe deposit box, at a bank. >But crypto isn't solving anything either (or at least n…

You could have a system where a license is tied to a blockchain and not an account or person. It would presumably also mean that if someone gains control of your computer or account for a moment, they could steal your stuff and the company would be in the right to refuse you further survice.

Online games occasionally have stories of 'I got hacked and support helped me get my items back', where they just clone up new in game items. They wouldn't do that for things you are allowed to sell for real value.

So I think there's a real risk of trading one bad problem for another.

Re: Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by grumbel »

vbezhenar wrote: post #357
grumbel wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but his account will still be closed. That wouldn't be a problem with NFTs as they could just go to another game provider, show their proof-of-ownership and download their games from there. Such import functionality already exist to some limited degree right now with GoG, Steam and Co., but all of them require that your account with Ubisoft is still working. NFTs would work even if Ubisoft disappeared completely. F…

Ubisoft could generate some XML with list of games and sign it with their private key with known certificate. This XML is proof of purchase that you can back up and import into other stores. All it takes is some cooperation between stores. You don't need blockchain, it's basic public key cryptography.

That does not allow selling your used games or transferring them to another person.

Re: Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by nkrisc »

cinntaile wrote: post #312
Lazare wrote: post #290

I feel a bit disappointed by the number of people suggesting that an NFT would somehow help here. An NFT is just a fancy signed receipt. I can mint an NFT saying the OP owns a bunch of Ubisoft games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed. Ubisoft could mint an NFT saying he owns a bunch of games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed . (He probably still has the receipts from when…

But if he creates a new account and transfers the NFTs (that function as your proof of ownership of a game in this case), then you're good to go again. Since they can't be deleted. It's a different story if your NFTs are banned of course, then it wouldn't matter if you transfer them to a new account.

Why would they ever do that, though? That would allow third party resale of digital copies of their games which would eat away their sales of games.

It’s one of the many reasons games are digitally sold now: there’s no physical artifact the owner can sell to someone else.

Why would Ubisoft intentionally create a way for homes to be resold without them getting a cut?

Re: Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by Lazare »

Paradigma11 wrote: post #352
Lazare wrote: post #290

I feel a bit disappointed by the number of people suggesting that an NFT would somehow help here. An NFT is just a fancy signed receipt. I can mint an NFT saying the OP owns a bunch of Ubisoft games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed. Ubisoft could mint an NFT saying he owns a bunch of games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed . (He probably still has the receipts from when…

"...up to an including the fact that if you get banned you...lose your NFTs." That cant be right, well Ubisoft could still fuck this up. I can sell my NFTs on marketplaces completely independent of ubisoft. Sure they could invalidate, not honor the NFTs, but i wouldnt expect them to do so unless criminal activity like money laundering is involved.

> I can sell my NFTs on marketplaces completely independent of ubisoft.

See the link I posted. As of right now, the stated plan is that you will NOT be able to do so.

Re: Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by throwawaycities »

Lazare wrote: post #290

I feel a bit disappointed by the number of people suggesting that an NFT would somehow help here. An NFT is just a fancy signed receipt. I can mint an NFT saying the OP owns a bunch of Ubisoft games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed. Ubisoft could mint an NFT saying he owns a bunch of games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed . (He probably still has the receipts from when…

> An NFT is just a fancy signed receipt.

That may be how some NFTs are utilized. But it’s probably better to think of an ERC20 (tokens) and ERC721 (NFTs) as self executing code on the Ethereum Virtual Machine. The difference between the two is that ERC20 standard is self-similar and the ERC721 standard is uniquely identifiable.

Sure you can mint an NFT with “whatever record” you want in theory, if the NFT isn’t minted within a given self-executing smart contract, then your NFT is immediately recognizable as bullshit.

You are simultaneously suggesting there is no need for a technological solution, the answer if forcing Ubisoft to act a certain way, whereas the technological solution removes the need to trust Ubisoft to act a certain way or force them to when they don’t.

Re: Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by [deleted] »

grumbel wrote: post #351
Closi wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If GameStopApp wanted to allow you to transfer them they could have - hence it being commercial rather than technological.

How do I transfer a game from a shop that is already dead into one that doesn't yet exist? Any kind of transfer depends on both services still being alive and well. With NFTs I could retain ownership even when the shop is gone.

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Re: Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by antihero »

Paradigma11 wrote: post #352
Lazare wrote: post #290

I feel a bit disappointed by the number of people suggesting that an NFT would somehow help here. An NFT is just a fancy signed receipt. I can mint an NFT saying the OP owns a bunch of Ubisoft games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed. Ubisoft could mint an NFT saying he owns a bunch of games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed . (He probably still has the receipts from when…

"...up to an including the fact that if you get banned you...lose your NFTs." That cant be right, well Ubisoft could still fuck this up. I can sell my NFTs on marketplaces completely independent of ubisoft. Sure they could invalidate, not honor the NFTs, but i wouldnt expect them to do so unless criminal activity like money laundering is involved.

Not if the NFTs are only minted and valid on their own marketplace/blockchain.

Re: Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by nkrisc »

grumbel wrote: post #332
Lazare wrote: post #290

I feel a bit disappointed by the number of people suggesting that an NFT would somehow help here. An NFT is just a fancy signed receipt. I can mint an NFT saying the OP owns a bunch of Ubisoft games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed. Ubisoft could mint an NFT saying he owns a bunch of games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed . (He probably still has the receipts from when…

> but his account will still be closed. That wouldn't be a problem with NFTs as they could just go to another game provider, show their proof-of-ownership and download their games from there. Such import functionality already exist to some limited degree right now with GoG, Steam and Co., but all of them require that your account with Ubisoft is still working. NFTs would work even if Ubisoft disappeared completely. F…

> Furthermore NFTs would allow used game sales,

Which is why publishers will never do that.

Re: Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by Yetiuiu »

grumbel wrote: post #351
Closi wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If GameStopApp wanted to allow you to transfer them they could have - hence it being commercial rather than technological.

How do I transfer a game from a shop that is already dead into one that doesn't yet exist? Any kind of transfer depends on both services still being alive and well. With NFTs I could retain ownership even when the shop is gone.

With a central authority you can do that too.

It just doesn't matter if it is nft or not.

That is the point.

Nft need to be provided as well. Access to it, tools etc. Mining and verifying it is costintensive.

Ubisoft didn't just use nft it went to a company which provides a nft Blockchain. They could just go to any company for this. It's cheaper to just use a database.

Fiat currency is basically already proof of stack. Because there are so many like me having money in a bank account. Pensions etc.

Nft needs either a resource intensiv PoW or a PoS which both have not been be solved in a good and scaling and save way.

So why not using PoS in the normal world with creating a company, contracts and a basic database? It's good enough for everything we do and we know how to do it.

Re: Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by cedilla »

throwawaycities wrote: post #365
Lazare wrote: post #290

I feel a bit disappointed by the number of people suggesting that an NFT would somehow help here. An NFT is just a fancy signed receipt. I can mint an NFT saying the OP owns a bunch of Ubisoft games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed. Ubisoft could mint an NFT saying he owns a bunch of games and give it to him, but his account will still be closed . (He probably still has the receipts from when…

> An NFT is just a fancy signed receipt. That may be how some NFTs are utilized. But it’s probably better to think of an ERC20 (tokens) and ERC721 (NFTs) as self executing code on the Ethereum Virtual Machine. The difference between the two is that ERC20 standard is self-similar and the ERC721 standard is uniquely identifiable. Sure you can mint an NFT with “whatever record” you want in theory, if the NFT isn’t minte…

How exactly would the embedded program force Ubisoft to act?
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