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Re: Once poor, always poor?

#101

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I mean, it could be a 2006 318i with 200k+ miles. BMW means nothing.

Or they could have generational wealth. This whole thing reminds me of the ugliness that was the anti-welfare propaganda of the 70's

It could also be that they prioritize their car and have a budget adjusted for it.

Re: Once poor, always poor?

#102
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> Cultural norms can also encourage poverty cycles. I often wonder about these. Growing up I watched friends whose families had what you might describe as a cultural distrust of institutions, including schools, or even anyone who seemed to “think they’re better than us” (translation anyone who did well in school or a career). They constantly made self defeating choices and seemed destined to have the same problems/ p…

I sometimes think, one way to break this cycle is to send the all the kids to boarding school or military school. It could put them in an environment free from their background circumstances. It is of course a harsh thing to do, but I think maybe it could work.

Re: Once poor, always poor?

#103

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Meet, then take meeting with your family in the background and internet infrastructure that blows.

> with your family in the background Many conferencing programs allow you to set the background. Use a photo of a bookshelf and you're good to go!

Given two scenarios:

A: An affluent individual with a dedicated home working space, high-speed and reliable broadband provider, and high-quality computer, video, and audio gear

B: A poor individual in a multigenerational household sharing working space with other household members on an ongoing basis and connectivity over flaky mobile service using a cheap Android device.

Which do you suppose might have an inherent advantage?

Would an on-prem working arrangement with employer-provided workspace, networking, and computing equipment increase or decrease any such advantage?

Re: Once poor, always poor?

#104
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> Cultural norms can also encourage poverty cycles. I often wonder about these. Growing up I watched friends whose families had what you might describe as a cultural distrust of institutions, including schools, or even anyone who seemed to “think they’re better than us” (translation anyone who did well in school or a career). They constantly made self defeating choices and seemed destined to have the same problems/ p…

I sometimes think, one way to break this cycle is to send the all the kids to boarding school or military school. It could put them in an environment free from their background circumstances. It is of course a harsh thing to do, but I think maybe it could work.

"Breaking the cycle by sending the kids away" has a long history of well-intentioned attempts nearly always leading to disastrous outcomes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55238090

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi...

Re: Once poor, always poor?

#105
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> Cultural norms can also encourage poverty cycles. I often wonder about these. Growing up I watched friends whose families had what you might describe as a cultural distrust of institutions, including schools, or even anyone who seemed to “think they’re better than us” (translation anyone who did well in school or a career). They constantly made self defeating choices and seemed destined to have the same problems/ p…

I sometimes think, one way to break this cycle is to send the all the kids to boarding school or military school. It could put them in an environment free from their background circumstances. It is of course a harsh thing to do, but I think maybe it could work.

Boarding schools did not had that effect. Everyone including teachers is aware of who is who. Plus, they don't exactly raise people to be better.

Re: Once poor, always poor?

#106

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I'm not aware of such societies: the whole idea of women not being destined for childbearing is relatively new. Some countries are firmly on the course though: https://www.scb.se/en/About-us/news-and-press-releases/2020-...

About all countries https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521 there is some exceptions like Nigeria(dropping slowly) but generally fertility rate is dropping all over world.

And none is close to being extinct

Re: Once poor, always poor?

#107

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I sometimes think, one way to break this cycle is to send the all the kids to boarding school or military school. It could put them in an environment free from their background circumstances. It is of course a harsh thing to do, but I think maybe it could work.

"Breaking the cycle by sending the kids away" has a long history of well-intentioned attempts nearly always leading to disastrous outcomes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55238090 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi...

That is a good point. But all these had racist reasons at their core. Can this be better implemented today? With extensive supervision and scrutiny. For example, teenagers routinely join the army, and spend time learning and training at what is essentially a boarding school. It seems to work quite well.

Re: Once poor, always poor?

#108
post #14

> Cultural norms can also encourage poverty cycles. I often wonder about these. Growing up I watched friends whose families had what you might describe as a cultural distrust of institutions, including schools, or even anyone who seemed to “think they’re better than us” (translation anyone who did well in school or a career). They constantly made self defeating choices and seemed destined to have the same problems/ p…

I sometimes think, one way to break this cycle is to send the all the kids to boarding school or military school. It could put them in an environment free from their background circumstances. It is of course a harsh thing to do, but I think maybe it could work.

I'm thinking of this and i can't see it working. All previous attempts were usually executed on racist grounds, and i don't think we can do the same on non-racist grounds because poverty itself is a result of either intrinsic differences between races, or racism itself, so racial layout of kids in those boarding schools will be similar to the racial layout in prisons... It's hard to expect anything but radicalisation happening there.

Re: Once poor, always poor?

#109

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Because we can't afford to do that, and if we tried, all that would happen is our own standard of living would go down the toilet.

Actually, I just read the chapter on open borders in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_for_Realists and he argues none of that is true. Open borders (more immigrants) actually increases wealth of the country letting them in, even refugees…

And If you cut taxes workers will get paid more.

At least that's what the books say.

Re: Once poor, always poor?

#110

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I mean, it could be a 2006 318i with 200k+ miles. BMW means nothing.

Or they could have generational wealth. This whole thing reminds me of the ugliness that was the anti-welfare propaganda of the 70's

What's wrong about it? I can only praise a person who has generational wealth and doesn't need to work, yet chose the socially beneficial occupation of a social worker (which is neither well-paid nor, let's be honest, well-respected, but necessary job), to do their part?
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