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My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer

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Re: My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer

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The opportunity described is only common in a handful of companies in handful of cities. Outside of this it is going to be rare even in the US. Since Sweden doesn't have a large presence of these companies you are going to have to move to for example Zurich or London for it to be common. It isn't a Sweden versus US thing, it's a "achieving a high level in a major company that gives you stock" versus not. The opportun…

GP poster is also incorrect. Prior to his passing, famous DJ Avicii is estimated to have an estate of 50 million USD; well-off enough to never work again if he didn't want to. There's also, y'know, the Royal Family. GPs post would lead you to believe that Swedish society is flat, but there are absolutely bank managers (or something, I never got a chance to ask) running around driving Porsches while the rich plebs own…

brb, becoming a member of the Swedish Royal family.

Re: My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer

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IR35 hasn't really affected that path, you can find contracts that are outside of the legislation and as long as your working practices are also outside you're fine, there are also insurances now for these things.

There is also nothing -- literally, nothing -- to prevent you from finding a remote work contract with a US company, and billing them at a rate appropriate for the US market. From your point of view, there is no VAT chargeable on B2B services supplied to a customer located outside the EU, and you can get paid easily using a Wise account. From the client's point of view, give them a W2-BEN-E and they can effectively c…

Do you mean 1099 status?

Re: My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer

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I don't disagree with you because I've gone through a divorce that halved my net worth but I don't think "don’t live in a common law state" is decent advice. If you ignore all of California, you miss out on higher compensation and interesting work opportunities. Should you live your life such that you limit your opportunities? I don't think so. I don't think ignoring serious relationships altogether or avoiding child…

California is not a common law state. I am not purposing avoiding serious relationships either. I’m proposing avoiding the legal contracts that will not do you any good.

> California is not a common law state.

My apologies, you're absolutely correct. I have no idea why I thought CA was common law. Probably after the divorce I got bombarded with information and it was all soup in my brain.

> I’m proposing avoiding the legal contracts that will not do you any good.

It's only an issue if you have kids and/or plan to immigrate to a different country. Being married helps there.

Re: My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer

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California is not a common law state. I am not purposing avoiding serious relationships either. I’m proposing avoiding the legal contracts that will not do you any good.

Also to add, when your income starts getting into tech amounts, it's actually MORE tax efficient to not be married than to be married unless your spouse does not work. Also there is nothing preventing you getting rings, having a wedding and having a marriage relationship.

Can you expand on this? TurboTax always recommended filing joint for all the years I was married even though my wife earned a lot less than me.

My tax rate went up a ton after the divorce.

Re: My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer

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post #504

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California is not a common law state. I am not purposing avoiding serious relationships either. I’m proposing avoiding the legal contracts that will not do you any good.

> California is not a common law state. My apologies, you're absolutely correct. I have no idea why I thought CA was common law. Probably after the divorce I got bombarded with information and it was all soup in my brain. > I’m proposing avoiding the legal contracts that will not do you any good. It's only an issue if you have kids and/or plan to immigrate to a different country. Being married helps there.

> I have no idea why I thought CA was common law.

My guess is that it isa conflation of “community property” with “common law”, as both relate to marriage and are similar enough in name that it is easy to swap them in memory.

Also, community property is the one more relevant to what happens in divorce, while common law is about formation of marriage.

Re: My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer

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Let me add 1) get a prenup before marriage because there's a 50/50 chance you'll lose half in divorce (at least in California.) This is not very romantic so it's not something I ever considered, but it's recommended to wealthy persons by lawyers. 2) don't become an alcoholic or drug addict. If you think you might be developing a problem, own up to it, seek help and go to rehab if necessary. This includes gambling add…

Better: Just don’t get legally married and don’t live in a common law state. Prenups aren’t enforceable. Judges can throw them out and ignore them whenever they feel. I don’t plan to ever get married due to these factors. Another option for the drugs thing is to never do drugs or drink alcohol. I haven’t ever done any and I’ve managed to avoid addiction my entire life. I still have fun - I am actually considered the…

> Prenups aren’t enforceable.

Yes, they are.

> Judges can throw them out and ignore them whenever they feel.

That's...not true, except to the extent the same is true of contracts generally.

Re: My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer

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The implication of the article, that such compensation is reasonably possible to a moderately competent software developer working for big companies in the United States, seems pretty reasonable to me. Another thing one could note is the bump in compensation in recent years, which could be a combination of stock going up, more experience making the author a more valuable employee, or market rates for software enginee…

"I learnt that even an average engineer with a five-figure salary can become a millionaire by her late 30s, through financial discipline and investment planning." Then why doe the article mention average as part of the target audience? "The implication of the article, that such compensation is reasonably possible to a moderately competent software developer working for big companies in the United States, seems pretty…

Exactly half of US devs earn at or below the median. Which also means half earn at or above it (ignoring the small percentage at exactly the median). I don’t know where you’re statistic comes from but obviously for most of the companies in the OP, salary is only part of the compensation with stock being another part. So someone with a salary of $105k at such a company probably earns more than that when you include stock/bonus.

A median being much lower than the numbers reported by the article could be explained by a few things:

1. That compensation is bimodal

2. That there are more people at more junior levels than at senior levels (either more people coming into the field or older people leaving or more experienced people changing roles to e.g. management at some companies and no longer counting towards the ‘software engineer’ category)

I think it’s a bit of both, but good data is hard to come by.

I don’t know about your circumstances. I don’t know what your constraints are. If you are in the United States, I would encourage you to suppose that a path like the one described in the article is reasonably achievable for a software engineer in the United States[1]. If you think it is true and that you are therefore unfairly treated, then maybe you would re-evaluate your opportunities and consider interviewing (yes this process sucks…) to try to find out whether or not it really is true, as you’d have a lot to gain and not much to lose. If you think it’s true and that you are in an acceptable position then you can avoid having an emotional reaction to threads where people state that the thing you think is true is true. If you think it’s false and it turns out that you were wrong, you may regret not acting sooner. If you can’t participate in the US labour market, that’s quite different. For example many experienced software engineers in the U.K. will earn less than $70k though I don’t have statistics to hand. Larger companies offer higher pay now but the market seems quite different from the one in the US.

I hope you don’t think I’m attacking you. I’d like you to feel like you’re able to make deliberate, informed decisions rather than that it is all luck.

[1] If you believe it is achievable for someone working at these big tech companies, consider that there aren’t that many software engineers in the United States and that a rough low lower bound for the number of engineers employed by companies meeting the above description would be 100k (I think the real number is >3x higher, but this 100k number could be found by looking at a small number of companies) so in percentage terms, it can’t be too uncommon to work at such places.

A second thing to say is that high compensation in the US does not require you to live in Silicon Valley or New York. Many well-paying large tech companies have satellite offices in smaller metros offering only slightly lower pay, or offer remote work with either no cost of living adjustments, or an adjustment that still allows for high compensation.

A third thing is that opportunities aren’t equal, for example hardware engineers, game developers, and possibly people in the embedded space tend to be paid (potentially much) more poorly than more general software engineers.

Finally, maybe everything will change. I don’t have a great reason for software engineers to be so highly paid and there might be some big crash or other correction that stops that being the case.

Re: My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer

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> Disclaimer: I acknowledge that I’ve been very privileged, especially in the educational opportunities I’ve had. This might sound reasonable from a US-centric perspective, but to me it reads like utter nonsense. The main privilege here is access to the US labor market and tax policy. There are no stories like this one where I live (in Sweden). Absolutely none.

Downvoted because, if there are many stories like this in "poorer" Spain (my home country), I'm sure there's a non-trivial amount of stories like this in any other richer European country:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpainFIRE/

Re: My Path to Financial Independence as a Software Engineer

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post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California is not a common law state. I am not purposing avoiding serious relationships either. I’m proposing avoiding the legal contracts that will not do you any good.

> California is not a common law state. My apologies, you're absolutely correct. I have no idea why I thought CA was common law. Probably after the divorce I got bombarded with information and it was all soup in my brain. > I’m proposing avoiding the legal contracts that will not do you any good. It's only an issue if you have kids and/or plan to immigrate to a different country. Being married helps there.

Marriage for kids isn't necessary. You can prove you're a parent and that you have a legal right to your child even if you are unmarried. I've known plenty of couples who had kids without being married and it wasn't an issue.

The immigration part is more difficult but you can get married temporarily for the purposes of immigration unless you're specifically moving to that place to live there forever. I've known people who have done this and it is clearly very feasible. They got legally divorced after. However - I am assuming that both people in a relationship are going to be working and therefore this is a not a problem. If one is not going to be working then that adds a layer of complexity. Marriage law at that point is weird.

Personally - I'm tailoring my advice for the overwhelming majority of people - not the one-off weird scenarios that most Americans are not going to be dealing with. 60%+ of people in the USA don't even have a passport. And they definitely aren't thinking of leaving permanently - lol.

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