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Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by dymk »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #511
dionidium wrote: post #506

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How is that different from what you are doing to me right now?

How could it not be completely different? We both came to HN. We saw this article about advertising. We clicked the "450 comments" link because we wanted to see what other people were posting. We wanted to participate. That's what we're doing right now. I didn't pay money to put this comment on your screen to make you read it every time you try to do anything on your phone or computer. No, we're the ones who came her…

Of course speech is advertising. In what meaningful way is what you're doing not advertising your own views, opinions, and values, same as any company might do so with a billboard?

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by matkoniecz »

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #322
smarx007 wrote: post #7

But ads in real life do not prevent me from going on about my day. There is no analogy to interstitial pages with ads like in Forbes some time ago with the button Continue to your article: it would be infuriating if you had to view an ad before being able to use the subway ticketing system. You also don’t have ads on at the airport timetable screen. You don’t have pinkertons following you to learn your habits and sho…

What's a "healthy" amount of advertising? IMHO I would argue that 0 advertising is a healthy amount.

I would be fine with tasteful signs above shop entrances.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

whiplash451 wrote: post #477
grishka wrote: post #473

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Ads in the subway just shouldn't be a thing, period. You already pay for the ticket.

Unfortunately the ticket covers much less than the infrastructure cost. Then public spending covers some of it but ads are needed to fill the gap. Public money that would be spent to cover the ad revenue would not be spent elsewhere (in a hopefully useful way). I hate subway ads just as much as you, but wanted to make this reality check.

That’s crap, if infrastructure was 200% subsidised, there’d still be ads.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by themodelplumber »

pjfin123 wrote: post #509

It's pretty crazy that we allow ourselves to be bombarded with the psychological attacks that are advertising. Ads use pictures of food or sex appeal that manipulates our lizard brains or social attacks to convince us to buy products we don't need. If you pay close attention a large percentage is for negative sum products like unhealthy and addictive fast food.

"Don't need" is relative though. Just like the term lizard brains. They're both simple models. There are lots of cases where ads will sell you things you will need, just like there are lots of cases where humans make wiser choices than lizards.

If you want to defeat advertising, you have to acknowledge this side, otherwise you underestimate its brilliance and role in human wellbeing and productivity. Until you can carry its strengths forward without its weaknesses, it will keep propagating as the solution with no end in sight.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by Nbox9 »

stormking wrote: post #363
sorokod wrote: post #319

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On a tangent, if you are interested in Takeshi Kovacs's universe, do yourself a favour and skip the diluted and emasculated product made by Netflix. The books have a raw and anarchistic edge that is not present in the TV series.

Season 1 was okayish - the "A plot" was as strong as I remember it from the books. The "B plot" about Takeshi's past, however, was massacred.

The “A plot” was closer to the book than the “B plot”, but the A plot was weakened too. The digital/virtual torture scene has the single most glaring omission. However, thematically the Hollywood version of Quellism is the single biggest change, as it alters the motives of many characters. Event by event the “A plot” is close to the book, but it tones down the raw anarchy of the book.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by aspenmayer »

dymk wrote: post #521
matheusmoreira wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could it not be completely different? We both came to HN. We saw this article about advertising. We clicked the "450 comments" link because we wanted to see what other people were posting. We wanted to participate. That's what we're doing right now. I didn't pay money to put this comment on your screen to make you read it every time you try to do anything on your phone or computer. No, we're the ones who came her…

Of course speech is advertising. In what meaningful way is what you're doing not advertising your own views, opinions, and values, same as any company might do so with a billboard?

It’s not an ad because speech doesn’t cost anything beyond time and attention.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by aspenmayer »

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #337
sorokod wrote: post #319

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On a tangent, if you are interested in Takeshi Kovacs's universe, do yourself a favour and skip the diluted and emasculated product made by Netflix. The books have a raw and anarchistic edge that is not present in the TV series.

I loved Altered Carbon the book, but really couldn't get into the TV adaptation either. I could never put my finger on exactly why they felt so different.... there is an energy to the book that isnt there in the TV.

There are more books in the series, at least 3 in total that I know of.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by pjfin123 »

themodelplumber wrote: post #524
pjfin123 wrote: post #509

It's pretty crazy that we allow ourselves to be bombarded with the psychological attacks that are advertising. Ads use pictures of food or sex appeal that manipulates our lizard brains or social attacks to convince us to buy products we don't need. If you pay close attention a large percentage is for negative sum products like unhealthy and addictive fast food.

"Don't need" is relative though. Just like the term lizard brains. They're both simple models. There are lots of cases where ads will sell you things you will need, just like there are lots of cases where humans make wiser choices than lizards. If you want to defeat advertising, you have to acknowledge this side, otherwise you underestimate its brilliance and role in human wellbeing and productivity. Until you can ca…

Clearly not all is bad but they don't have your best interests in mind and I would argue it's overall quite harmful.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by matheusmoreira »

dymk wrote: post #521
matheusmoreira wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could it not be completely different? We both came to HN. We saw this article about advertising. We clicked the "450 comments" link because we wanted to see what other people were posting. We wanted to participate. That's what we're doing right now. I didn't pay money to put this comment on your screen to make you read it every time you try to do anything on your phone or computer. No, we're the ones who came her…

Of course speech is advertising. In what meaningful way is what you're doing not advertising your own views, opinions, and values, same as any company might do so with a billboard?

As I said, I didn't pay money to bring this comment to you whether you wanted it or not. You came here looking for comments. You weren't advertised to, you simply got exactly what you wanted.

Discussing a topic in a place where people congregate for that specific purpose is not the same thing as spamming entire cities with audiovisual pollution that nobody wants much less asked for.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by paleogizmo »

Billboards are interesting because in spite of their near-universal hate, they are about the only remaining form of advertising in print media. I don't especially mind advertising in cities, the subway ads are part of the experience. The terrible billboards in unincorporated areas along the highway are much more annoying, but of course those are much harder to get rid of.
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