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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by romwell » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 1:00 AM UTC

TMWNN wrote: post #373

ljm wrote: post #232

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There was _a_ conspiracy, or at least Wikipedia refers to it as such: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp... . That is to say, there's enough there to suggest that this wasn't the free market answering solely to consumer demand.

The article explains why there actually was no conspiracy.[1] [1] No, kids, Who Framed Roger Rabbit? isn't real history

I mean, is it really a conspiracy if open and unashamed corruption was the modus operandi at the time.

When there's funding for highways but not rails, the results are unsurprising. The benefits of public transit are a positive externality[1][2].

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality#Positive

[2]Real history is way worse

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by knorker » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 11:34 AM UTC

rvz wrote: post #211

knorker wrote: post #135

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I didn't say there was no backdoor. Every locksmith in the world has the ability to bypass your lock (exaggeration). That doesn't make them the owner.

> I didn't say there was no backdoor. You didn't need to and given that was already avoided here; it now has been admitted. Thus, it is by definition a 'backdoor' then especially a directly 'remote' one. It doesn't matter who it is, we just know that Tesla and many others have this ability directly; no locksmith needed or whatever. So the future is connected cars where not even you can fully control your own car and…

>> I didn't say there was no backdoor.

> You didn't need to and given that was already avoided here; it now has been admitted.

It's interesting how you seem to think this was a "gotcha".

It's like the people who say "there is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer". Yeah, just like there is no bakery, it's just someone else's oven.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by CRConrad » Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 11:20 PM UTC

knorker wrote: post #382

rvz wrote: post #211

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> I didn't say there was no backdoor. You didn't need to and given that was already avoided here; it now has been admitted. Thus, it is by definition a 'backdoor' then especially a directly 'remote' one. It doesn't matter who it is, we just know that Tesla and many others have this ability directly; no locksmith needed or whatever. So the future is connected cars where not even you can fully control your own car and…

>> I didn't say there was no backdoor. > You didn't need to and given that was already avoided here; it now has been admitted. It's interesting how you seem to think this was a "gotcha". It's like the people who say "there is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer". Yeah, just like there is no bakery, it's just someone else's oven.

> just like there is no bakery, it's just someone else's oven.

That may be analogous to "the cloud", but not to the subject here: When you buy a car or a phone, it's supposed to be "yours". (That's what "buying something" means.)

When you go to the bakery every morning to buy your breakfast baguette, you don't think you're buying the bakery -- you're just buying the bread. And that is yours after you've paid for it. Or does your baker have an electronic backdoor to the bread he sells you?

(And you're not just renting the bread, or "buying the service of using it for a while". Or does your baker come around and collect your poop after you've digested the bread?)