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I was researching suitable sites to legally build a tiny house in the EU, without a building permit.

So far I have:

- Some regions in Sweden

- Some areas in Portugal

- Possibly Romania

- It used to be common in Poland, but possibly illegal today.

Wonder if anyone here had also been researching this kind of thing.

Re: Ask HN: Tiny Home for $5k USD?

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post #36

I honestly don't think that the "physical structure" or actual shelter is the main problem w.r.t. homelessness. The land itself is a lot more expensive. And the legal framework. Where I am right now, it's illegal to sleep in a car for instance. And similarly, a lot of alternative housing solutions are highly burocratized, require lots of permits etc. Almost like politicians are protecting their real estate investment…

Then disrupt that. Those laws can be executed and people are on sidewalks in tents. That’s the problem that has to be solved. If they want to break the law with their $5k tiny home on wheels, then so be it until the laws open space for them. The state should provide property tax breaks for people who allow temporary homes.

Well, let's say we do it, you're basically turning a single family home into a multifamily property with an ADU. How is that any different from say turning that single family home into a multi story multi family home?

I mean it should be clear that the laws regarding land ownership are serving owners at the expense of everyone else and not in a particularly efficient way.

In socialism everyone scrambles to get up early and be lucky enough to find what they need at the grocery store, in capitalism people are born early and scramble to get hold of land because it doesn't go "bad" unlike most physical goods including capital itself.

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I’m fking tired of seeing human beings sleeping in tents on sidewalks. I don’t care what they did, what drugs they’ve used, who/what they are escaping, many of them are regular people who weee eaten and chewed up by the machine. We have to engineer a dignified a solution. I make about $1mil a year and I can’t believe I haven’t done this sooner.

I live in Austria and we do not have people living in tents on the sidewalk anywhere. (But we have some homeless people) Part of this is probably due to the fact that I pay 48% of everything I earn in taxes and I am totally fine with it!

The problem isn't taxation of income. The problem is the lack of taxation of land. The problems in San Francisco got worse precisely because they have property tax freezes. They should give owner occupied units a tax rebate instead of freezing taxes. Also, property taxes should be levied on the value of the land and not the building to reduce bureaucracy and indirect taxation of income.

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#64
post #8

A beat up commodity shipping container cost me $3,300. If you can deliver a functional home without taking a loss for $1,700 more, you're a genius and a wizard.

Shipping containers are not designed to be good homes, they are only designed to be easy to transport...

Re: Ask HN: Tiny Home for $5k USD?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Travel trailers/caravans are overwhelmingly poorly made and they have many compromises made for the ability to constantly be moved/towed.

Well, there are two questions: 1. Can you make a travel trailer that can’t be towed, with higher quality, for $5000? 2. Can a travel trailer solve rough sleeping? On my opinion, the second question has much more uncertainty than the first one.

1. Not sure. There are likely some cost savings if you don’t need road hardware and use temporary trailers or flatbeds to move them. You also wouldn’t need the water and waste tanks. Maybe some of that could go towards better insulation.

2. Yep, absolutely.

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post #23

> Arnold Schwarzenegger donated $250,000 to build 25 tiny homes intended for homeless vets in West LA. The homes were turned over a few days before Christmas. https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/rnmtpn/arnold_... There's some good details there about people already doing this kind of good work.

Key point here is that the VA donated the land. In the 20's in Germany, many homes were built on land donated by various churches. Churches, groups like the VA and others own a lot of land, if they can be convinced to help out it would make a big difference.

Re: Ask HN: Tiny Home for $5k USD?

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I am trying to build a "Sustainable" village with up to 200 houses. In Australia, rural land is about AUD 25K per ha (USD 4700 per acre). It some how you got permission to build on it the value increases to $100K per ha.

Your can build for about AUD 1650 per sqm (USD 1.20 per sqft) but that does not include power or water.

It is land that is the problem not buildings.

Re: Ask HN: Tiny Home for $5k USD?

#68

I've read of a couple that dug a huge hole with bulldozer.... then dropped 2 shipping containers and buried them back up... cost like 20k... mostly for the welding done to connect the containers, add rooms and windows... being impacted by earth is a natural insulator... and it faces south... I'd love to do something like this... team up buy land then place yurts and things while we build earth bag or container homes.…

MIG welders are a few hundred to own and backhoe rentals are about the same to rent. Did they have to pay someone else to do the work?

Also, gasses like xenon are heavier than air. Do you know how they handled ventilation?

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post #55
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be the one not understanding here. I said effective which accounts for marginal rates. Thats why even though those numbers add up to 50%, i specifically said that will only get you close to 50% effective. Also the more you make, the more percentage wise will be paid at the highest marginal rate meaning some people will pay close to their highest marginal rate effectively. Thats why the whole second point…

I will concede a misunderstanding perhaps of the income distribution in CA. But the figures you quoted are the marginal rates, and at the federal level that top bracket kicks in at over 500k in the limit of very high income, your effective rate will start to approach the top marginal rate. But the idea of 500k being the negligible portion of one’s gross income is just so far out of my experience, it’s hard to see why…

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Re: Ask HN: Tiny Home for $5k USD?

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post #55
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be the one not understanding here. I said effective which accounts for marginal rates. Thats why even though those numbers add up to 50%, i specifically said that will only get you close to 50% effective. Also the more you make, the more percentage wise will be paid at the highest marginal rate meaning some people will pay close to their highest marginal rate effectively. Thats why the whole second point…

I will concede a misunderstanding perhaps of the income distribution in CA. But the figures you quoted are the marginal rates, and at the federal level that top bracket kicks in at over 500k in the limit of very high income, your effective rate will start to approach the top marginal rate. But the idea of 500k being the negligible portion of one’s gross income is just so far out of my experience, it’s hard to see why…

Sales tax at 8.5% is another big one.
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