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Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by cm2012 »

kdmccormick wrote: post #193
323 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of times people who loudly yell "fuck the system" are also quietly using the system when it suits them, that's my point. Bansky is no "dismantle the capitalism" hero or whatever pedestal people have him on.

I hear you; the copyright case especially shows that he is no paragon of anti-capitalism. But I think it's worth maintaining that (1) some things are worse than other things and (2) motive matters and (3) imperfect people can still make good points. I have never, ever felt like a piece of Banksy's art, or any original piece of visual artwork for that matter, is being shoved down my throat. They're quiet, static, rela…

Multiply it times a billion. One Banksy is tolerable, a million people graffiting their opinions everywhere would be truly awful. Therefore what Banksy is doing is immoral.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by stormking »

sorokod wrote: post #319
sorokod wrote: post #214

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Wery much in the spirit of make it personal from "altered carbon" "The personal, as everyone’s so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer…

On a tangent, if you are interested in Takeshi Kovacs's universe, do yourself a favour and skip the diluted and emasculated product made by Netflix. The books have a raw and anarchistic edge that is not present in the TV series.

Season 1 was okayish - the "A plot" was as strong as I remember it from the books. The "B plot" about Takeshi's past, however, was massacred.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by jevoten »

smarx007 wrote: post #7

But ads in real life do not prevent me from going on about my day. There is no analogy to interstitial pages with ads like in Forbes some time ago with the button Continue to your article: it would be infuriating if you had to view an ad before being able to use the subway ticketing system. You also don’t have ads on at the airport timetable screen. You don’t have pinkertons following you to learn your habits and sho…

But ads in real life do mar the landscape, the real world, with their presence. You can drive through the countryside, and have the idyllic rolling hills scarred by a giant poster for the nearest McDonald's.

Even in cities, they're visual pollution.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

duxup wrote: post #159
Miner49er wrote: post #116

Reminds me of this Banksy quote: People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most…

> Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours Welcome to public spaces? Life involves maybe seeing things, idea, people you don’t like. That’s not inherently bad.

Street musicians. Draaiorgels (youtube it but keep your finger close to mute). Protestors. Homeless. Tourists. English tourists. Pigeons.

Why do we live in a city again?

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Post by SyzygistSix »

sputr wrote: post #149
yanderekko wrote: post #63

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>I wonder why society decided that advertising was so important, it was willing to let it completely dominate (and in my opinion destroy) our public spaces. Because advertising is a form of speech, and society has decided that speech is important?

All freedoms are limited by the freedoms of others. You may speak what you wish, but when and how you speak it is limited. You can not scream about it in the middle of the night, since doing so bothers your neighbors. Letting anyone and everyone do what ever they want would lead to anarchy. So no society, USA included, does this. But some actors in societies have convinced the western population, especially Americans…

I think you mean chaos rather than anarchy. Anarchy involves maximizing freedom for everyone, not just one's self, among other things. The strong doing whatever they want is the exact opposite of anarchy.

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Post by shukantpal »

ipaddr wrote: post #349
shukantpal wrote: post #325

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You are making an argument here, that the other person didn't make an argument; that means you were applying logic. Your logic is that there's nothing stopping you from breaking societal norms and doing whatever you have the physical capability to do. Therefore, you can destroy property you don't like (advertisements). You can extend that logic to say that you "can" abuse humans. But your logic totally misses societa…

Social norms can be accepting of such activities if you surround yourself with a like minded group. Living within whatever social norms exist is common but progressives and activists try to break the social norm. Taboos are real and get broken everyday.. cousins date, 70 year old women and getting together with 20 year olds, there are mothers who hate their kids. Each social rule broken can have punishments.. wearing…

Thanks for stating the obvious.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by peckrob »

My wife and I were talking about this a few weeks ago.

I've basically stopped listening to terrestrial radio because it seems like the majority of it is ads.

A trend I've noticed over the last few years is that gas stations specifically. As gas stations have replaced older pumps with newer ones, the new ones feature LCD screens that, as soon as you are done selecting the myriad of options it now requires just to put fuel in a car, you are suddenly bombarded with videos and very loud advertisements.

I have been walking away and sitting in my car but, a few weeks ago I got yelled at by a pump attendant that I had to stay next to my fuel door while it was filling for "safety reasons." So now I have to stand there and be bombarded by this thing screaming at me about what is for sale while filling up and it is very, very annoying.

Another one is a restaurant here in town that has one of these new LED signs that is so bright at night that it actually hurts my eyes. It is so bright that you can't make out what is in the road beyond it. Multiple people have complained about it my city's subreddit and it has lead to at least one traffic accident that I know about. I even went to file a complaint with the city zoning board about that one but was told there was nothing they could do as there were no regulations regarding the brightness of signs. They suggested I complain to the owner.

And it's so manipulative. "Hey, you're not good enough because you're too fat, or your hair is thinning, and no one will ever love you." "Look at these starving abused puppies, just LOOK AT THEM and donate now."

In the ever increasing war for our attention, it really does feel like physical advertising is becoming louder, more aggressive, more insulting, and just so much more ubiquitous that it is almost impossible to get away from it. We have got to find a way to start to reign in some of the more annoying - and dangerous - advertising going on out there.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by makecheck »

One of the worst examples is we (still) have PLANES flying with banners behind them in California. They make noise, pollute the air, and assault your eyes when you could be looking at a beautiful blue sky without them. And I don’t know why it’s OK to “rent” this “space” to advertisers because, unlike something like a billboard, it’s not like someone went to the trouble of erecting a sky board with limited ad space.
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