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Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by SyzygistSix »

jcun4128 wrote: post #50
leppr wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some new forms of IRL ads do interrupt your flow. Examples I've encountered: * In a mall touchscreen navigation kiosk, an ad is shown when you first wake up the device by touching it. * At multiple points in the McDonald's self-order touchscreen kiosk flow. * On Starbucks screen menus, the whole menu is periodically replaced with a video ad, forcing you to wait until its end to finish making your choice. > You also d…

I heard some gas stations have ads on the pump display

The fist time I saw that my first instinct was to set the pump on fire. Pure rage. I'll leave with only fumes when I see that. Fortunately it's not that popular here.

If it ever becomes ubiquitous, something's going to have to be done about it. I'd never convict anyone of destroying one of those ad screens.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by emteycz »

shukantpal wrote: post #321
emteycz wrote: post #304

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Who said you should extend that logic from advertising to personal relationships?

I don't have a personal relationship with you.

People-to-people relationships, sorry for my English, I'm not a native speaker.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by dionidium »

snarfy wrote: post #88
stareatgoats wrote: post #84

Advertising as it is done presently has at least three faults, which is just as much a fault with the ethics of society for allowing this to go on: - adverts seeks to hijack your attention away from whatever you were doing, which is a mental burden resulting diminished performance (in the case of a work environment), is downright dangerous in the case of traffic environments and lessens the enjoyment in the case of l…

If my attention has value, then hijacking it is a form of theft.

This is actually a nice little reductio argument against the notion that your attention has value (at least in the sense you imply). If the proposition "my attention has value" leads to an absurd conclusion ("hijacking my attention is a form of theft"), then the premise must be false.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by paulclinger »

323 wrote: post #138
Miner49er wrote: post #116

Reminds me of this Banksy quote: People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most…

> Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. Funnily enough, you can say the same thing about Bansky's art: > An artist who defaced several works of famed graffiti artist Banksy has been charged with the cri…

I read his call as being specifically directed at ads, rather than all public works (like his work), so I don't really see the contradiction.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by grahamjpark »

I like ads. Ads support the websites and people that I like. Sometimes I find cool things through ads. I still use UBlock Origin though because ads have broken my trust. They don’t vet them enough, so malvertising happens sometimes. And they absolutely destroyed the concept of privacy across the web.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

sorokod wrote: post #319
sorokod wrote: post #214

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Wery much in the spirit of make it personal from "altered carbon" "The personal, as everyone’s so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer…

On a tangent, if you are interested in Takeshi Kovacs's universe, do yourself a favour and skip the diluted and emasculated product made by Netflix. The books have a raw and anarchistic edge that is not present in the TV series.

I loved Altered Carbon the book, but really couldn't get into the TV adaptation either.

I could never put my finger on exactly why they felt so different.... there is an energy to the book that isnt there in the TV.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by aembleton »

paxys wrote: post #134
ciphol wrote: post #103

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Who's going to pay for your Google search, maps, and Gmail if there are no ads?

Paid online services have been a thing long before internet advertising took over. People used to have search, email, GPS navigation, business directories, news, weather and lots more before Google was even an idea. Why do people suddenly think giving up your privacy to look at obnoxious ads all day is the only way technology will progress further?

How will anyone know about search, email or GPS navigation? If its word of mouth, isn't this a form of advertising? How will they pay for them without a credit card; which will be issued by a bank that can't advertise them. Does that also rely upon word of mouth? How can a new entrant arrive in the banking industry without being able to advertise its services?

Without advertising new companies can't develop new services because only the existing ones will have customers.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by shakow »

Aerroon wrote: post #307
shakow wrote: post #253

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*tracking cookies First-party, non-tracking cookies do not require a cookie banner. I'm always flabbergaste how good the propaganda machines of ads agencies is that people are actively fighting protective measure on their behalf. Nihil novi sub sole I guess, but it's fascinating to see this process happen first hand.

It's not propaganda by ad agencies. Why make it into a conspiracy? There are pretty great tools out there that you can use for websites, such as Google analytics, but the moment you use that you're implementing a cookie banner. Want to have ads? Cookie banner. Want to have YouTube/Twitter/whatever integration? Cookie banner. europa.eu has a cookie banner. A website that doesn't even need to pay its own bills!

> Want to have ads? Cookie banner.

That's just wrong, you don't need a cookie banner for non-tracking ads.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by vaylian »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #269
DarylZero wrote: post #242

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What does it mean to say "we must respect the law"? Banksy demonstrates that this is not true. You only need to avoid law enforcement. It seems to me, of course I have no way of knowing, but it SEEMS to me that you are NOT EVEN AWARE that you're not making arguments.

Most cities in my country have multiple street cameras on every corner. Good luck "avoiding the law" here.

Which is the next problem. Again, a highly asymmetric relationship between the surveillants and the surveilled people.
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