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Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by DarylZero »

shukantpal wrote: post #272
DarylZero wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it mean to say "we must respect the law"? Banksy demonstrates that this is not true. You only need to avoid law enforcement. It seems to me, of course I have no way of knowing, but it SEEMS to me that you are NOT EVEN AWARE that you're not making arguments.

We don't have to treat each other as humans, either, by that logic.

There's no "logic" at all here. All I did was point out how the other person didn't even make an argument.

Nor did you. You just appeal to some popular notion that everyone already agrees with ("treat humans like humans"). Then you suggest this is the same as the other thing, again giving no reason.

Maybe you really can give reason to someone, who abuses people, not to do it. To treat humans as humans. But you would have to delude yourself to think you already did it here.

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Post by standardUser »

marklubi wrote: post #232
berkes wrote: post #219

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Then why is Coca Cola allowed to promote their proven harmful sugar juices in that space, but am I not allowed to oppose that promotion in the same space? What is allowed and tolerated in that public space is skewed, an unfair. Certainly not balanced.

> Then why is Coca Cola allowed to promote their proven harmful sugar juices in that space, but am I not allowed to oppose that promotion in the same space? You are certainly allowed to. Pony up for the ad space if you want to promote the opposite, or advertise something else entirely.

Selling harmful things is profitable. Opposing harmful things is expensive. Because of this asymmetric warfare, and because we are human beings more concerned about other human beings than concepts like brand awareness, it seems like regulating the messaging in pubic spaces makes sense.

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Post by blackboxlogic »

kdmccormick wrote: post #204
TigeriusKirk wrote: post #174

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Banksy is a commercial enterprise, though. There is a financial benefit to putting their work in places where the public is forced to see it. By raising their public profile, they're also raising the prices they can charge for other work. It is, in a very real sense, advertising. I'm a fan, but there's still a point to be made here. Banksy works on public sites do function in part as ads.

I think it's critically different from advertising because the art is also the product itself. You're meant to enjoy the art for what it is. An ad on the other hand, is meant to encourage you to buy a separate product; this can be effective even if you absolutely hate the ad. A more apt comparison would be a company giving out free samples. If you get a free sample of a delicious new cheese brand, you might talk abou…

I'm not sure the author's intent is a good indicator of if the "art" will be a positive force in the community. Here's a local anecdote to the contrary. https://www.pressherald.com/2013/02/24/court-order-walk-whil...

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Post by SyzygistSix »

throwawaycities wrote: post #163
Miner49er wrote: post #116

Reminds me of this Banksy quote: People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most…

Seems like perfectly curated marketing. But I do admit I am outraged when a row of stupid fucking scooters blocks my entire running path, when it’s clearly a location no one would ever rent a scooter, rather they are there to deliberately block the path for no other purpose than obnoxious exposure of their brand. I’d love for there to be DAOs to combat those scooter companies, say for example by blocking the executiv…

I think most of those scooters were destroyed in quick order in my town. I'm sure a bunch ended up in the river.

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Post by Aerroon »

Nextgrid wrote: post #146
qybaz wrote: post #42

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Given that the sites wouldn't exist at all if it wasn't for the ad networks they use to feed their editors, it seems justifiable to me!

I have zero problems with ad-supported shit going out of business and making space for good, paid content. Imagine a world where content has to be so good as to convince people to take out their wallet. No more clickbait, "this video is sponsored by ShitVPN", chumboxes, etc.

I can imagine such a world. It would be cable TV with heavy region locks. The poorer parts of the world wouldn't be on it at all.

Paying for things online is still a terrible experience. You need a credit card, which isn't always easy to get outside of the rich western countries. I would never have used websites like reddit, HN, Twitter, YouTube or Google if I had had to pay for it. As a kid I wouldn't have been able to pay even if I had wanted to.

>No more clickbait, "this video is sponsored by ShitVPN", chumboxes, etc.

No, you would have even more of this, because this type of monetization is not linked to cookies.

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Post by kdmccormick »

jjulius wrote: post #247
kdmccormick wrote: post #193

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I hear you; the copyright case especially shows that he is no paragon of anti-capitalism. But I think it's worth maintaining that (1) some things are worse than other things and (2) motive matters and (3) imperfect people can still make good points. I have never, ever felt like a piece of Banksy's art, or any original piece of visual artwork for that matter, is being shoved down my throat. They're quiet, static, rela…

>I hear you; the copyright case especially shows that he is no paragon of anti-capitalism. Does it, though? The linked TMZ article suggests the lawsuit was filed by the Los Angeles DA on behalf of the property owner whose property lost value because of the defacement. It doesn't appear that Banksy himself is involved in the lawsuit.

The postcard copyright lawsuit, not the vandalism case.

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Post by pvinis »

CyberShadow wrote: post #101
smarx007 wrote: post #7

But ads in real life do not prevent me from going on about my day. There is no analogy to interstitial pages with ads like in Forbes some time ago with the button Continue to your article: it would be infuriating if you had to view an ad before being able to use the subway ticketing system. You also don’t have ads on at the airport timetable screen. You don’t have pinkertons following you to learn your habits and sho…

> it would be infuriating if you had to view an ad before being able to use the subway ticketing system What about using a gas pump? https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/ozu1up/havin... Seems that the trend is going in this direction.

wow, that's bad.

I don't know if the "trend is going in this direction", because I would never go to that gas station again after seeing that once. I'm sure most other people would too.

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Post by SyzygistSix »

duxup wrote: post #159
Miner49er wrote: post #116

Reminds me of this Banksy quote: People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most…

> Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours Welcome to public spaces? Life involves maybe seeing things, idea, people you don’t like. That’s not inherently bad.

Sao Paulo made all billboards and ads illegal. It's a thing. People can do it if they want. I'm pretty sure they don't allow billboards in some states in the US.

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Post by sorokod »

sorokod wrote: post #214
Miner49er wrote: post #116

Reminds me of this Banksy quote: People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most…

Wery much in the spirit of make it personal from "altered carbon" "The personal, as everyone’s so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer…

On a tangent, if you are interested in Takeshi Kovacs's universe, do yourself a favour and skip the diluted and emasculated product made by Netflix.

The books have a raw and anarchistic edge that is not present in the TV series.

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Post by mellavora »

jorvi wrote: post #16
smarx007 wrote: post #7

But ads in real life do not prevent me from going on about my day. There is no analogy to interstitial pages with ads like in Forbes some time ago with the button Continue to your article: it would be infuriating if you had to view an ad before being able to use the subway ticketing system. You also don’t have ads on at the airport timetable screen. You don’t have pinkertons following you to learn your habits and sho…

I think one element missing in that comparison is that you’d get a free subway ride or a grocery discount for viewing the ad. I vehemently dislike ads but I thought that should be mentioned.

So you mean the only thing funding the subway is ad revenue? Not, for example, taxes?
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