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Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Both are a problem in their own right. Tracking visitors to make up for your lackluster business model is abusive, but cookie banners as usually implemented are but one way to comply with regulations aimed at curtailing this. And in my book, it's a form of malicious compliance, making it equally part of the problem.

Annoying consent flows aren't compliant, at least not with the GDPR. A compliant consent flow should make it as easy to accept as it is to decline, so pre-ticked checkboxes or hiding/burying the decline option doesn't comply. Incompetent regulators that are asleep at the wheel and still haven't done anything to punish this (GDPR went into effect in 2018) are definitely a problem though.

Even if the regulators attacked more websites it wouldn't matter. You'd just have more and more websites that block European users.

You can't expect websites to give you a pop up that asks whether they can monetize your visit or not. Everyone's going to click "refuse" because ads are annoying. As a consequence your website makes no money. At that point why run the website at all?

Regulators don't want to regulate too hard, because it would ruin all the freely available websites.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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post #279

The author’s suggestion to go to the government can work. In the 1960s, the president’s wife rallied support for a “Highway Beautification Act” to remove billboards from much of the federal highway system. It largely worked. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-lyndon...

So it can work... if you're the president's wife. This is a terrible example to prove that an ordinary citizen can make change like this.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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What does it mean to say "we must respect the law"? Banksy demonstrates that this is not true. You only need to avoid law enforcement. It seems to me, of course I have no way of knowing, but it SEEMS to me that you are NOT EVEN AWARE that you're not making arguments.

We don't have to treat each other as humans, either, by that logic.

Who said you should extend that logic from advertising to personal relationships?

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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I’m responsible for my computer’s configuration; site operators are responsible for theirs. If I configure my computer to not show me ads, that’s my choice. If they configure their computer to not show me content, that’s also their choice. If they decide to show me content even if I’m not displaying ads, that’s also on them, same as if I configured mine to show ads and was then dissatisfied with my choice.

Then if they decide to fingerprint you, you should have no recourse either (other than to block it by yourself).

From a totally practical perspective, I agree. Whatever I’m sending to a site, I can’t realistically expect that no one will ever use it.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Then why is Coca Cola allowed to promote their proven harmful sugar juices in that space, but am I not allowed to oppose that promotion in the same space? What is allowed and tolerated in that public space is skewed, an unfair. Certainly not balanced.

It sounds like you just substitute what you don’t like for what want to see? I don’t think that had anything to do with what I said. Although I’m curious What would a not “skewed” public space looks like, and how do you manage that?

the whole point is you dont manage a public space, we do. the public space is a construct of what we allow it to be

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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post #253

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We already knew cookies were being used everywhere. I dont need to be told the same thing 100000 times because it makes some people feel better and altruistic. It didn't bring any benefits and has wasted excessive amounts of my time.

*tracking cookies First-party, non-tracking cookies do not require a cookie banner. I'm always flabbergaste how good the propaganda machines of ads agencies is that people are actively fighting protective measure on their behalf. Nihil novi sub sole I guess, but it's fascinating to see this process happen first hand.

It's not propaganda by ad agencies. Why make it into a conspiracy? There are pretty great tools out there that you can use for websites, such as Google analytics, but the moment you use that you're implementing a cookie banner.

Want to have ads? Cookie banner. Want to have YouTube/Twitter/whatever integration? Cookie banner.

europa.eu has a cookie banner. A website that doesn't even need to pay its own bills!

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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post #152

Ads should simply be illegal anywhere, anywhen. Perhaps if we did that for, say, 80 years, then after the last advertiser has dropped dead of advanced age, we could cautiously re-enable the legality of purely informational, manipulation-free adverts.

So it should be illegal for me to wear a t-shirt with Adidas written on it? Or shoes with the Nike swoosh on it?

yes

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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post #152

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So it should be illegal for me to wear a t-shirt with Adidas written on it? Or shoes with the Nike swoosh on it?

Yes. Find another avenue for virtue signaling that contributes on a local level. Paying for the right to be a roaming advert is what has been advertised to you, hence you are repeating the cycle. I do wear these brands, but try to subdue any labeling. i.e. black sharpie on the nike logo.

If you’ve made software that is very useful for some people, should it be illegal to tell anybody about that, unless you’ve been specifically asked?

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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post #26

I strongly believe that advertising by definition is unethical in all of it's forms and "block" ads to the best of my ability, in real life as well. I do not view ads that reach me by mail, and as for billboards and posters I see around town, I make a note to avoid the products they advertise. I know this doesn't make a difference but it's an ideological thing. If my actions could in theory cause a tiny little dent i…

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