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Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by berkes »

blackhaz wrote: post #187
Miner49er wrote: post #116

Reminds me of this Banksy quote: People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most…

Fuck that indeed. Very strong message here, and I love it. I wish I could take all those ads and shove them into their asses. But what is being suggested here? What's mine to take? If I see an ad, can I reuse the artwork? No. If I see a car, I can't just copy it's design. Can I just paint over it, or rip it apart? No, that would be vandalism. As much as I hate ads, THEY have re-arranged the world by paying for it in…

You shouldn't do it publicly and with your name and face with it. You aren't legally allowed to.

But that is far away from "can't". Hardly anyone is going to stop you from drawing a moustache on a poster or from stickering a snarky remark over an ad or from spray painting your opinion about some advertised product on said ad.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by izacus »

My city (and several others I've lived in) strongly restrict the amount of advertising that can be put in its center and is thus a much more pleasant place than many other cities I've visited.

So there are "adblocks" in cities, they're just done in a much better way than on the web: the ads aren't created at all instead of forcing citizens to spend time fighting an individual war against them.

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Post by ghusbands »

Symbiote wrote: post #191
rambambram wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I can stand ads on the internet, I just block 'm. I can stand ads on private property. But just don't scream for my attention on (semi)public properties. The price of that sh!t is already covered by taxes. And if it's not, the officials are incompetent.

Transport for London (9000 buses, 985 trains, trams, hire bicycles, taxi administration, disabled people transport, some trains, some major roads in London, 755km of railway track) have a budget of £9.7 billion, of which £5.1 billion is from passengers (tickets etc), and £0.16 billion from advertising. That is lower than I thought it would be, and lower than one would expect given the space TfL dedicate to advertisin…

Even if it were all advert free at some point, someone with a huge advertising budget would probably offer hundreds of millions to be a 'sponsor' and get their logos all over the place, and then the advertising will start again. Even the £160 million they're getting now would likely be enough to persuade them, as it's not a trivial amount, even compared to their overall budget.

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Post by sorokod »

Miner49er wrote: post #116

Reminds me of this Banksy quote: People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most…

Wery much in the spirit of make it personal from "altered carbon"

"The personal, as everyone’s so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide from under it with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way, you stand a better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous marks the difference - the only difference in their eyes - between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it’s just business, it’s politics, it’s the way of the world, it’s a tough life and that it’s nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it personal."

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Post by niij »

goodcanadian wrote: post #143
n0n0n4t0r wrote: post #35

I live in the area of Grenoble, a french city leaded by ecologists than banned ads several years ago (since 2014 if I'm correct). This is a pleasure, or, more precisely, I feel overwhelmed when I exit my city and am surrounded by so many ads! https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20141124-fr...

The state of Hawaii also bans most ads and billboards (they are considered to take away from the natural beauty, which, of course, is a big tourism draw). I find it odd that there is even much debate about it and that most places do not have laws like this: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol10_ch0436-0474/...

I agree they're generally ugly. But I assume most places don't ban them due to freedom of speech and private property considerations.

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Post by watwut »

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #122
shakow wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the hate toward cookie banners. It's like if the citizens of a surveillance state complained if civilian-dressed informants had to carry a big ugly sign. Sure, the sign is ugly and everywhere; but maybe the actual problem is that there are so many informants that you have to see so many signs, rather than their signs being ugly. Shoot the actual problem (i.e. the dark patterns and malicious complia…

We already knew cookies were being used everywhere. I dont need to be told the same thing 100000 times because it makes some people feel better and altruistic. It didn't bring any benefits and has wasted excessive amounts of my time.

The banners are about tracking, not about cookies. You can use cookies and not have banner.

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Post by sacado2 »

blackhaz wrote: post #15
smarx007 wrote: post #7

But ads in real life do not prevent me from going on about my day. There is no analogy to interstitial pages with ads like in Forbes some time ago with the button Continue to your article: it would be infuriating if you had to view an ad before being able to use the subway ticketing system. You also don’t have ads on at the airport timetable screen. You don’t have pinkertons following you to learn your habits and sho…

But they do. You have to mentally process the incoming data first, then discard it. It's a waste of attention, especially with mind-catching ads you can't figure out immediately. Sometimes they are as blocking as browser pop-ups, e.g.: logotypes (or even full ads) displayed before a responsive UI is shown to you, duty-free zones in the airports, and so on. I am pretty sure we will soon have real-life targeted billboa…

If browser ads had a real-life equivalent, they would be more like that creep who suddenly pops in front of attractive women in the street trying to grab their phone numbers, and no matter what you do you'll never get rid of him and he'll be following you on your way back home (probably to provide you with a "better user experience").

If all web ads were limited to a static gif here or there in the corner of a web page, I don't think adblock plus would be a thing at all.

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Post by rideontime »

ignoramous wrote: post #181
throwawaycities wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like perfectly curated marketing. But I do admit I am outraged when a row of stupid fucking scooters blocks my entire running path, when it’s clearly a location no one would ever rent a scooter, rather they are there to deliberately block the path for no other purpose than obnoxious exposure of their brand. I’d love for there to be DAOs to combat those scooter companies, say for example by blocking the executiv…

> I’d love for there to be DAOs to combat those scooter companies, say for example by blocking the executives’ front doors, cars, garages, offices with giant billboards or vending machines. Interesting. I don't think one can legitimise just about anything with DAOs. But DAOs do represent a form of group think, an in-group, a collective, so that's there too. I wonder if GreenPeace / Amnesty / XR / Anti-FA et al have e…

You wonder if GreenPeace is getting involved in crypto?

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by berkes »

duxup wrote: post #159
Miner49er wrote: post #116

Reminds me of this Banksy quote: People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most…

> Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours Welcome to public spaces? Life involves maybe seeing things, idea, people you don’t like. That’s not inherently bad.

Then why is Coca Cola allowed to promote their proven harmful sugar juices in that space, but am I not allowed to oppose that promotion in the same space?

What is allowed and tolerated in that public space is skewed, an unfair. Certainly not balanced.

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Post by IvanK_net »

detaro wrote: post #189
IvanK_net wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what exactly is "your personal information", that has been sent to so many websites?

That is what you should document on your privacy page, exactly.

If you know how the web works, you must know, that websites do not have access to your device. You do not tell Photopea your name or your address.

The only thing a website can know, is, that "someone with a screen resolution of 1920x1080 pixels visited www.Photopea.com at 18:37". It can be useful to know the number of visitors, or the usual screen resolutions.

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