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Desmond Tutu, anti-apartheid icon, dies at 90

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Re: Desmond Tutu, anti-apartheid icon, dies at 90

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Post by jayceekay »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #17
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) why would a US president want to live in the White house in DC? It doesn't matter what they want, the official residence comes with the job. I do not think that Mr Tutu spent every single day of his tenure in Bishopscourt - you are right, it wasn't his scene. But he was a common sight there. 2) It was literally illegal for Mr Tutu to live there, then. Doing so anyway, with the backing of a major church, who chose…

That is not the case for the US president, they can live where they choose. But I did not realize the archbishop was required to live in that residence as part of the terms of their service. That answers my question then.

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Re: Desmond Tutu, anti-apartheid icon, dies at 90

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Post by throwaway55421 »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #4

There is a suburb of Cape Town called Bishopscourt. It is high up on the hill, near the botanical garden, and filled with Anglophone old money, trees and mansions. (1) It gets it's name of course from the "official residence of the Archbishop of Cape Town" (Anglican / Church of England). It was of course a "whites only" area under Apartheid until 1991 (2). Black people there could be assumed to be house or garden ser…

An inspiration. The best way to challenge insanity is to simply ignore it and move forward without consideration.

You can't debate apartheid because it's farcical to begin with. The terminology even - exemption - makes our brains feel fuzzy, confused. What is this "exemption"? I'll just do my thing, thanks.

We could all learn something from this.

Re: Desmond Tutu, anti-apartheid icon, dies at 90

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Post by ttiurani »

dan_pixelflow wrote: post #36

'If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.' Rest in peace.

The quote continues:

"If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."

The moral obligation Tutu captured with that aphorism has affected me immensely over the years.

Also:

“All of our humanity is dependent upon recognizing the humanity of others.”

Re: Desmond Tutu, anti-apartheid icon, dies at 90

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Post by authed »

woodruffw wrote: post #42
authed wrote: post #37

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...all of which appear to be benign diplomatic cables or press releases. Can you state more explicitly what you're trying to imply?

> woodruffw - ...all of which appear to be benign diplomatic cables or press releases. Can you state more explicitly what you're trying to imply?

Not implying anything? Can you explain why you think that? Do you think that about every fact that you are presented?

Re: Desmond Tutu, anti-apartheid icon, dies at 90

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Post by woodruffw »

authed wrote: post #45
woodruffw wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...all of which appear to be benign diplomatic cables or press releases. Can you state more explicitly what you're trying to imply?

> woodruffw - ...all of which appear to be benign diplomatic cables or press releases. Can you state more explicitly what you're trying to imply? Not implying anything? Can you explain why you think that? Do you think that about every fact that you are presented?

Perhaps it's overly cynical, but "X name has Y hits on Wikileaks" reads to me as an oblique claim of wrongdoing by X. Famously, that particular tactic was used during the last American presidential election, with the "Y hits" including silly things like birthday emails and recipes.

If you just meant "here are some potentially interesting documents that have Desmond Tutu's name in them," then it's not clear what linking to Wikileaks offers that linking to WaPo's, WSJ's, NYT's, or even just Google's search results does not. But normally linking to the results of a search with no other context would be considered a frivolous thing to post, which is again why I assumed that you had some other implied statement in mind.

Re: Desmond Tutu, anti-apartheid icon, dies at 90

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Post by lovecg »

authed wrote: post #45
woodruffw wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...all of which appear to be benign diplomatic cables or press releases. Can you state more explicitly what you're trying to imply?

> woodruffw - ...all of which appear to be benign diplomatic cables or press releases. Can you state more explicitly what you're trying to imply? Not implying anything? Can you explain why you think that? Do you think that about every fact that you are presented?

It would make for a better discussion if you stated plainly why you think your link is interesting. Wikileaks is a hot button issue in some circles and just giving a link like this without context will raise some eyebrows.

Re: Desmond Tutu, anti-apartheid icon, dies at 90

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Post by dagaci »

secfirstmd wrote: post #38

There's a certain irony that many people who celebrate the life of Desmond Tutu and his fight against apartheid continue to ignore that he said Israel does the same thing and should be subject to boycott. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/29/comment

I dont think anyone is ignoring it, its a Heated topic and actually quite an issue in South African politics now (https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/protests-greet-miss-south...) Wikipedia has a page where the general issues are enumerated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analo....

Historically scrutiny originally fueled because Israel is seen as a supporter of the apartheid system even after all other western countries had withdrawn support https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-why-israel-supporte...

Re: Desmond Tutu, anti-apartheid icon, dies at 90

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Post by DFHippie »

authed wrote: post #45
woodruffw wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...all of which appear to be benign diplomatic cables or press releases. Can you state more explicitly what you're trying to imply?

> woodruffw - ...all of which appear to be benign diplomatic cables or press releases. Can you state more explicitly what you're trying to imply? Not implying anything? Can you explain why you think that? Do you think that about every fact that you are presented?

You should read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance_theory
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