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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by dragonwriter »

silexia wrote: post #478

Xi Jinping has turned China into a nightmare dictatorship. Ethically, why do any companies want to do business there? Every business that goes into China gets it's IP stolen, it's new business entities stolen, etc. Why would anyone want to do business there period? I do no business with anyone or any company in China with my company.

> Xi Jinping has turned China into a nightmare dictatorship.

That...seems to be giving him too much credit. Not saying that China under Xi isn't a nightmare dictatorship, just that if it is, he either didn't make it that way or didn't have far to go to get there.

> Every business that goes into China gets it's IP stolen, it's new business entities stolen, etc.

That description has been being made of China longer than Xi has been in power, probably from a few days after the initial euphoria of Communist China opening up to Western business wore off.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by physicles »

arbuge wrote: post #288
alisonatwork wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both. I have been refused access to a place because the landlord was openly racist and didn't want to rent to me after she found out I was a foreigner. There is pretty much no recourse for foreigners who are victims of racism in China, it's an extremely racist country. When you're a foreigner you just kinda have to accept that there are people who will cross the street or shield their kids when they see you, loudly c…

This is weird. Definitely not my experience at all. I visited Shanghai, Beijing, and Chengdu in China in 2012 and I felt extremely welcome wherever I went. I might also add that in Chengdu, a city which sees considerably less foreigners than the other two, I felt like I was being treated like somewhat of a celebrity, with people smiling at me everywhere, and random passer-bys on the street trying to impress me with t…

As someone who’s lived in China since 2012 up until the present day, things have changed markedly in the last few years, and especially since ~April of last year once it became clear that China was handling the pandemic better than the rest of the world.

Most people are still ok, but some fraction of the population has a mixture of fear and hatred of foreigners. They think foreigners are dangerous because we bring the virus. Far fewer places accept foreigners than before.

I love my life and my friends here, but walking down the street in a village and having a guy wearing an official-looking coat scream at you to “fuck off” has a way of souring one’s mood.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by physicles »

brokenodometer wrote: post #369
arbuge wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is weird. Definitely not my experience at all. I visited Shanghai, Beijing, and Chengdu in China in 2012 and I felt extremely welcome wherever I went. I might also add that in Chengdu, a city which sees considerably less foreigners than the other two, I felt like I was being treated like somewhat of a celebrity, with people smiling at me everywhere, and random passer-bys on the street trying to impress me with t…

Can you imagine saying “ni hao” and asking for selfies with random Asian people on the street in whatever western country? It would be racist and demeaning as hell. That’s what they subjected you to, and you felt “special.”

I mostly give them a pass because they weren’t being malicious, just curious. I’ve spoken with plenty of people who literally had never talked to a foreigner before. Perhaps half the country has still never even seen a foreigner.

It’s definitely taken too far sometimes though.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

dragonwriter wrote: post #481
silexia wrote: post #478

Xi Jinping has turned China into a nightmare dictatorship. Ethically, why do any companies want to do business there? Every business that goes into China gets it's IP stolen, it's new business entities stolen, etc. Why would anyone want to do business there period? I do no business with anyone or any company in China with my company.

> Xi Jinping has turned China into a nightmare dictatorship. That...seems to be giving him too much credit. Not saying that China under Xi isn't a nightmare dictatorship, just that if it is, he either didn't make it that way or didn't have far to go to get there. > Every business that goes into China gets it's IP stolen, it's new business entities stolen, etc. That description has been being made of China longer than…

China liberalized a bit under Hu, with the pullbacks liberties only beginning after the 2008 olympics. Xi…as a child of the cultural revolution who seems to have nostalgic feelings for it for some reason, was a huge step back. He is also china’s first leader who is monolingual and skipped most of his college education (having a degree handed to him after the cultural revolution ended). It’s weird.

People forget china’s rollercoaster with liberalization in recent history, with China opening up dramatically in the late 80s before a huge pullback due to Tiananmen Square, there was also a movement in the late 70s that gained a lot of traction before being quashed. The pullback after the 2008 olympics has just lasted longer than the previous ones.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by stjohnswarts »

axiosgunnar wrote: post #50

> The move comes as a surprise How dense and gullible do you have to be? Do people keep forgetting they’re dealing with an authoritarian dictatorship? ANYTHING is on the table, nothing should come as a surprise. Divest from China and diversify manufacturing sources, otherwise we will wake up one day imprisoned, and „the move will come as a surprise“

Waiting until they declare VPNs as a crime punishable by 5-10 years in prison when you're caught using one.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by stjohnswarts »

LeanderK wrote: post #322

> anti-Chinese, including the presence of "effeminate men" How can effeminate men be anti-chinese?

Because it is preventing Chinese citizens from exercising their human rights to choose the way they want to live their lives rather than some made up masculine "uberm-man" of the CCP.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by stjohnswarts »

yawaworht1978 wrote: post #252

Maybe they don't want a dull population sitting many hours playing games and eat junk food. Or they want the population to use some domestic platform, I am not sure, but even the Google ban has some legitimacy perhaps, when considering the amount of misleading news articles. China does propaganda, the US outlets lie selectively according to their bias. And such things can and will lead to having Trump elected with hi…

Or maybe they prefer that only video games that espouse loyalty to the party and communist values become the only possible types of games played, so they whittle away right along the road to achieving that goal

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by stjohnswarts »

Abroszka wrote: post #9

Recently I have been getting a lot more annoyed about China. Sure they can ban things, it's their right. But I just don't understand why we are not doing the same.

I mean you should take yourself and your valuable talents to China and live your best life under the CCP paradise.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by _tik_ »

Paradigma11 wrote: post #327
lmz wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You missed the part where the USA killed off most of the native population of its western side and drove them off their lands, yes. Different times, but maybe that's just the thing to do to get to superpower status and China's just catching up.

Nah, its just getting less publicity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide

Nah. Qing technically is Manchu. Qing racist to the Hans too. The main race in China. CCP actually has less racist ideology compare to others previous ruler in China. China is very complex country.
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