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25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Re: 25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Post by dakial1 »

grappler wrote: post #154

I'm not working today but what this brings to mind is a recently hired coworker who apparently is. My small team has had a nice culture of keeping our work chat mostly confined to our normal working hours, except when some issue comes up that needs attention. This new coworker has lately been shattering that. This person not only posts in the evenings, weekends, and sometimes into the graveyard shift, but does so in…

In my experience usually the people who do that are loners. They crave the interaction and use work related channels ro do that, with the plus of getting positive feedback from being a hard worker. Hard thing to defuse.

Re: 25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Post by grappler »

voidfunc wrote: post #159
mongrelion wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is stopping you from having a level headed, heart to heart conversation with your new colleague about your growing concern? Part of any job is to pass on the culture to new comers. I'm sure they'll understand.

Some us _like_ working. If mu team doesn’t want to check-in thats fine but I dont mind getting shit done at 4am or on weekends. Heck I am on a three week vacation right now and I have been working on a prototype I plan to show off when I get back in the New Year. My team is under no obligation to keep up with me, but Im not going to lower my performance for them.

I like working too! I do work related things on evenings and weekends more often than not. But that time is precious to me as focus time, free of checking in, free of needing to post updates. It's time for reading something long and technical, learning new stuff, or working on code. I'd much rather do that stuff on my own and then have things to share during the next workday.

Re: 25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Post by PeterisP »

eganist wrote: post #100
mobilefriendly wrote: post #98

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Let's hope Starship lift capacity will make Webb obsolete in a decade!

Doubtful considering how long it took to put JWST together. What, 30 years almost? Granted a lot of that was scope creep but nonetheless, I'm betting it's not launch capacity that's the bottleneck.

A lot of complexity of JWST is driven by the very restrictive mass and size limits. If you get a wider rocket and a 50% larger mass budget, then you can skip a lot of the complex unfolding and you can probably make a comparable diameter space telescope for literally 10 times less effort, cost and time.

Re: 25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Post by thn-gap »

voidfunc wrote: post #159
mongrelion wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is stopping you from having a level headed, heart to heart conversation with your new colleague about your growing concern? Part of any job is to pass on the culture to new comers. I'm sure they'll understand.

Some us _like_ working. If mu team doesn’t want to check-in thats fine but I dont mind getting shit done at 4am or on weekends. Heck I am on a three week vacation right now and I have been working on a prototype I plan to show off when I get back in the New Year. My team is under no obligation to keep up with me, but Im not going to lower my performance for them.

Do you shift your work hours, or do you just do overtime? Are you compensated for it? I just feel usual shifts are already long enough for someone to give away their free time on top of it into the same thing.

Re: 25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Post by nwiswell »

voidfunc wrote: post #159
mongrelion wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is stopping you from having a level headed, heart to heart conversation with your new colleague about your growing concern? Part of any job is to pass on the culture to new comers. I'm sure they'll understand.

Some us _like_ working. If mu team doesn’t want to check-in thats fine but I dont mind getting shit done at 4am or on weekends. Heck I am on a three week vacation right now and I have been working on a prototype I plan to show off when I get back in the New Year. My team is under no obligation to keep up with me, but Im not going to lower my performance for them.

> My team is under no obligation to keep up with me

I'm not going to pass judgement here, as it's a complicated issue and I have zero context, but I hope you understand why this is not an entirely truthful thing to say.

Working over your vacation sets a tone whether or not you intend it to.

Re: 25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Post by throwawayboise »

sandworm101 wrote: post #72
mabbo wrote: post #59

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There's a Christmas every year. A major telescope launch is apparently once a generation.

>> apparently once a generation I hope not. This one is only going to last 10 years. Kepler also only lasted 10 years. Given the time it took to build it, I hope the JWST's replacement is already well into development. The reality is that space telescopes are launched every couple years without much fanfare. This just happens to be a very big and expensive one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_telescopes

What's a generation? Longer than 10 years certainly, but many people have kids by their early 20s if not before.

Re: 25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Post by pvorb »

throwawayboise wrote: post #166
sandworm101 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> apparently once a generation I hope not. This one is only going to last 10 years. Kepler also only lasted 10 years. Given the time it took to build it, I hope the JWST's replacement is already well into development. The reality is that space telescopes are launched every couple years without much fanfare. This just happens to be a very big and expensive one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_telescopes

What's a generation? Longer than 10 years certainly, but many people have kids by their early 20s if not before.

I think typically a generation is around 30 years, but this changes over time. Currently it's higher in the western world, but it was shorter 100 years ago.

Re: 25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Post by voidfunc »

thn-gap wrote: post #164
voidfunc wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some us _like_ working. If mu team doesn’t want to check-in thats fine but I dont mind getting shit done at 4am or on weekends. Heck I am on a three week vacation right now and I have been working on a prototype I plan to show off when I get back in the New Year. My team is under no obligation to keep up with me, but Im not going to lower my performance for them.

Do you shift your work hours, or do you just do overtime? Are you compensated for it? I just feel usual shifts are already long enough for someone to give away their free time on top of it into the same thing.

Im salaried, I dont think in terms of hours. I think in terms of goals and progress.

Re: 25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Post by ivve »

rootbear wrote: post #11

Quite a few of my NASA colleagues worked today to launch the James Webb Space Telescope, and I'm sure most of them didn't mind working on Christmas. And I certainly appreciate all of those who work on the holidays to keep us safe.

I was wondering this today: why did they launch on Christmas? Were there conditions which made it unavoidable?

Re: 25-Dec. Shout-out to everyone else at work

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Post by rootveg »

Symbiote wrote: post #109
rootveg wrote: post #84

This year I had vacation for Christmas and New Years... but then I got covid on a plane to SF. I stayed 10 days in quarantine in a hotelroom (with only two days of mild symptoms). Today I finished quarantine and tomorrow ill be flying back to europe... thank you everyone who worked through Christmas and thank you for your service sandworm101

Hopefully you can claim back the vacation days. (I don't know if this is all of the EU/EEA/UK, or just some countries.)

You're right I already did fill out a form and probably will get them back, maybe I try to get my birthday off now... Christmas would have been nice but when you read trough all these comments here I'm sill lucky anyway
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