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Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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What's surprising to me about all the negative reactions Microsoft receives, especially on here, is that from my point of view, they are currently the most open out of all the big companies (Google, Facebook, Apple, etc). I cannot remember a time Apple has admitted to anything or made any effort to have anything that could be considered open, but they do no wrong in most people's eyes, where even a simple mistake by…

Please, Google contributes far more to open source than both. Between Chromium (which seemingly most other browsers are based on now as well as things like VSCode) to Android, GSoC, Golang, Dart/Flutter, the Linux kernel and a bunch of other random stuff, Google has probably done as much or more for the open source ecosystem than pretty much anyone. Pretty much MS' only useful contributions to open source are from MS…

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Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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Thank you. So these are in fact all mistakes. I looked at some of the other forked repos (95 out of 4.5K repos) and all the human commits from MS I saw seem to care about getting the licenses right. So it really is just a broken bot. I hope the bot can be fixed soon and I'm going to put my figurative pitchfork down now.

Look at https://github.com/microsoft/cups/commit/8100595a3a3a6d5c7d0... . This was done by an human.

As noted elsewhere in this thread this one looks like human misunderstanding and has already been raised internally for fixage.

Shame it slipped through the cracks, but at scale eventually something's going to no matter how hard you try.

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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Thank you. So these are in fact all mistakes. I looked at some of the other forked repos (95 out of 4.5K repos) and all the human commits from MS I saw seem to care about getting the licenses right. So it really is just a broken bot. I hope the bot can be fixed soon and I'm going to put my figurative pitchfork down now.

How can someone be so bad at their job that they realize that a bot that writes to the license file needs to avoid overwriting an existing file? A certain degree of malfeasance cannot possibly be explained as incompetence.

This is the type of online rage that we as a community need to stamp out.

Be better.

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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It's an automated bot, and it's an edge case that wasn't considered and is going to get fixed soon.

Is forking on Github edge case?

Apparently forking a 3rd party repo INTO the Microsoft github org is, yes.

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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What's surprising to me about all the negative reactions Microsoft receives, especially on here, is that from my point of view, they are currently the most open out of all the big companies (Google, Facebook, Apple, etc). I cannot remember a time Apple has admitted to anything or made any effort to have anything that could be considered open, but they do no wrong in most people's eyes, where even a simple mistake by…

> ...from my point of view, they are currently the most open out of all the big companies (Google, Facebook, Apple, etc) I'm curious to know how you're measuring openness. I agree Apple is the least open of the group, but Facebook and Google owe their existence to FLOSS, and were always in harmony with it from their origins.

But is Facebook the product or it’s social/recommendation algorithms open source? Is Google’s search engine or ad platform open source?

Companies are open source where it’s of value to them, but they don’t give away the family jewels if they can help it.

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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What's surprising to me about all the negative reactions Microsoft receives, especially on here, is that from my point of view, they are currently the most open out of all the big companies (Google, Facebook, Apple, etc). I cannot remember a time Apple has admitted to anything or made any effort to have anything that could be considered open, but they do no wrong in most people's eyes, where even a simple mistake by…

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Saas like Office 365 seems to be Microsoft's current flavor of proprietary, closed software moving forward.

MS has released some quality open source code, there are many organizations running fully open source stacks atop Dotnet Core, in our case atop Debian and Postgres. Microsoft makes no money off use cases like this (beyond hopefully selling Azure VMs)

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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I lead the Microsoft Open Source Programs Office team. I'm sorry this happened. We have merged a pull request that restored the correct LICENSE file and copyright, and are in touch with the upstream author Leśny Rumcajs who emailed us this morning. We'll look to revert the entire commit that our bot made, too, since it updated the README with a boilerplate getting started guide. The bug was caused by a bot that was d…

This is my favorite part of the culture change which is happening at Microsoft. We are still working on it. And, it will take time. Jeff's team, my team, the java team whose forked repo this unintentionally highlighted are working with dozens of other teams every week. Satya says we're all in on open source. Hold Jeff and Me and all the leaders of Microsoft to that vision. Keep us accountable. And, know this takes ti…

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Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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Yeah, I think this is an example of addressing a mistake that other companies should take note of. I don’t trust Microsoft-sized corporations as a matter of principle, and I don’t typically give them the benefit of the doubt, but when one of their own engineers explains in human-readable terms what specifically happened—on a holiday, no less—I’m impressed enough to believe him. Some PR flack showing up with vague boi…

I think a key reason that corps do try to avoid admitting fault, is because in a lawsuit that can be used as evidence for a guilty verdict in a civil lawsuit in some of the most slam dunk ways. If we remove this feature of common law legal systems, I think you will get far more admissions of fault like this one. If you hurt people, organizations, etc for admitting their mistakes, they're going to stop doing it.

The key take away is that apologizing and admitting fault doesn't absolve one of liability. There are a number of "amnesty" laws on the books where admitting fault can server to limit or reduce your sentence - especially with tax issues. I'm not sure how desirable such a thing would be in civil law among private parties. Especially in cases where a tort is minor to one party but a big deal to the other because of disparate wealth.

E.g. if Microsoft burned your house down would an apology and explanation be enough to settle the matter? How could we encode this principle into law for minor things but not large things?

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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Yeah, get that promotion! Developers, developers, developers!

I think your comments does not add anything meaningful to discussion. Yes, Microsoft screwed up. Yes, a Microsoft employee is trying to make excuses for them. This does not mean we couldn't have a civilized discussion, though.

All discussions are civilized until you start throwing stones at each other.

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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What's surprising to me about all the negative reactions Microsoft receives, especially on here, is that from my point of view, they are currently the most open out of all the big companies (Google, Facebook, Apple, etc). I cannot remember a time Apple has admitted to anything or made any effort to have anything that could be considered open, but they do no wrong in most people's eyes, where even a simple mistake by…

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Edge is released as open source in literally the exact same way Chrome is. Microsoft is a Chromium stakeholder and contributor as well.
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