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Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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is it possible that microsoft bought the rights to the software

This comment shows they've done it to other pieces of software, including things like… CUPS: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29684567

For some reason I doubt they've bought the copyright to CUPS.

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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This is their process. Very hard to argue these are all mistakes: ippsample (Apache -> MIT) https://github.com/microsoft/ippsample/commit/938bff17c72868... huggingface-transformers (Apache -> MIT): https://github.com/microsoft/huggingface-transformers/commit... health-cards-tests (MIT changed) https://github.com/microsoft/health-cards-tests/commit/5649b... CUPS (Apache -> MIT) https://github.com/microsoft/cups/commit…

MS dev here. Thanks for calling this out. I contacted the GH@MS admins to look into this and to consider adding some safeguards to the tooling so this doesn't happen in the future.

And so ther revert the ones done in the past I hope...

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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The larger issue is that anyone using GitHub is donating their work for re-use without attribution through Copilot. In return, you receive hosting from GitHub. The writing is on the wall. You MUST host your own code on a stand-alone website. Here is an example. This Go program (a compiler) generates and serves its own website: https://NN-512.com It runs on a Linode shared CPU cloud instance that costs $5 per month: h…

Anyone who puts anything on the web is at the same risk. For example, ask Google how old Queen Elizabeth is [1]. Google tells you the answer in a big font at the top of the result page. Google sourced the answer apparently from usnews.com but you didn't even have to click the usnews link. Google "took" the answer from them and deprived that website of a click. So yeah, you are donating your work to Google when you pu…

isn't that covered under a fair use 'right to quote'? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_quote

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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I used to work for MS and... it's still easy to see it from the inside lol

I don't work at Microsoft but I can confirm. There are so many "suggestions" for Microsoft Teams. I don't know if there exists another company whose employees are more critical of Microsoft Teams than Microsoft. My personal conspiracy theory is Teams would have died long ago if not for strong support from the top.

Teams is garbage, every time I use it I loathe computing in general.

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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In my opinion, this gets a strong reaction because: 1. They made similar mistakes in the past. 2. They didn't fix it for half a year. 3. They can expect strong financial benefits from making these mistakes. 4. They've recently burned a lot of goodwill by deliberately infringing licenses on a large scale when they trained Copilot. 5. They could have easily prevented this kind of mistakes. My summary would be that Micr…

What financial benefits do they stand to gain by changing the name on an MIT license?

In some cases, they changed other licenses to MIT. That would then allow them to train their AI models on this source code, or redistribute a closed-source monetized GPL rip-off.

Team A) makes a mistake and changes the license. Team B) uses the fork under its new license and forgets to check the original branch's license.

Two honest mistakes leading to a de-GPL-ed library.

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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Yeah, get that promotion! Developers, developers, developers!

I think your comments does not add anything meaningful to discussion. Yes, Microsoft screwed up. Yes, a Microsoft employee is trying to make excuses for them. This does not mean we couldn't have a civilized discussion, though.

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Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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The attitude in these threads always boggles my mind. When YOU, your teammates or someone else you know makes a mistake, then it’s just a mistake. But when someone at Microsoft makes a mistake it’s because Microsoft is evil and by extension so is the person who offended. “It’s a big company”, you say. They should have a process! And I’m sad to say, they do/will have a process exactly because of this attitude. Then, e…

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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post #178

The attitude in these threads always boggles my mind. When YOU, your teammates or someone else you know makes a mistake, then it’s just a mistake. But when someone at Microsoft makes a mistake it’s because Microsoft is evil and by extension so is the person who offended. “It’s a big company”, you say. They should have a process! And I’m sad to say, they do/will have a process exactly because of this attitude. Then, e…

Microsoft has lawyers and more layers of management than grandma's lasagna.

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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I used to work for MS and... it's still easy to see it from the inside lol

I don't work at Microsoft but I can confirm. There are so many "suggestions" for Microsoft Teams. I don't know if there exists another company whose employees are more critical of Microsoft Teams than Microsoft. My personal conspiracy theory is Teams would have died long ago if not for strong support from the top.

teams seems important strategically for microsoft however, if it truly wants to remain as the standard 'operating system' for enterprises.

but yeah, friends of mine who work at github say the worst thing about the acquisition was Teams

Re: Microsoft forked MIT licensed repo and changed the copyright [fixed]

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Microsoft has a long and dark history. I think you’re brushing aside the real contention. People who were around before MS decided to open-source-wash their brand KNOW what Microsoft’s DNA is. They had a literal playbook to crush Linux.

From twenty year ago . You say it’s in their DNA, but I’ll bet that the majority of people there now were not there 20 years ago. Old habits die hard, yes, but they do die. Microsoft has committed to open source. Maybe it’s self fulfilling reasons, but that doesn’t mean we should brush it off. If some higher up decided to go open source for PR reasons, who cares? We should be embracing it. Shunning it will just make…

> Microsoft has committed to open source.

They may have "committed" to open source (I think "committed" may be the wrong word there), but they never stopped hating free software.

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