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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by pksebben » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 2:00 PM UTC

ketzu wrote: post #69

axiosgunnar wrote: post #50

> The move comes as a surprise How dense and gullible do you have to be? Do people keep forgetting they’re dealing with an authoritarian dictatorship? ANYTHING is on the table, nothing should come as a surprise. Divest from China and diversify manufacturing sources, otherwise we will wake up one day imprisoned, and „the move will come as a surprise“

> Do people keep forgetting they’re dealing with an authoritarian dictatorship? > ANYTHING is on the table, nothing should come as a surprise. That does not follow from the first part. People and politics can, at large, still be predictable independent of the political organization.

I would argue that any single individual is perfectly capable of being unpredictable, so any form of authoritarianism would derive that unpredictability.

This is, fwig, the instability that a republic is meant to fix.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by nowherebeen » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 2:01 PM UTC

foverzar wrote: post #109

nowherebeen wrote: post #64

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There are definitely signs of them here. I have another thread that had someone trying to steer my comment into a East vs West argument just for mentioning China. It seems like they are trying to pick fights out of nowhere as if they are getting paid. And if you notice, they come at certain hours like there is suddenly a wave of them all at once.

"It seems like they are trying to pick fights out of nowhere as if..." ...that is what people generally do on the internet, when they disagree.

Yes and no. When you disagree you usually have a point to make, but when you purposefully try to steer a conversation into a confrontational topic, then it does become suspect.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by carlmr » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 2:04 PM UTC

alisonatwork wrote: post #151

RealityVoid wrote: post #118

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I am surprised at what you say regarding the hosting of foreigners. My girlfriend was there for a couple of months and she didn't notice any such thing, and she actually rented a place with a couple of friends, also foreigners. Is this what you describe because of racism or because of government?

Both. I have been refused access to a place because the landlord was openly racist and didn't want to rent to me after she found out I was a foreigner. There is pretty much no recourse for foreigners who are victims of racism in China, it's an extremely racist country. When you're a foreigner you just kinda have to accept that there are people who will cross the street or shield their kids when they see you, loudly c…

I've had smaller hotels tell me they can't host foreigners due to some law that you need to have a star rating which they didn't. The only time I had problems booking a hotel was in Shanghai and Beijing though, in other cities there was never an issue.

Also I was always greeted with utter friendliness, so I don't get the everybody's xenophobic aspect. I do speak some (very basic) Mandarin though so maybe that helps with how you're treated.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by emptysongglass » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 2:05 PM UTC

stared wrote: post #167

siva7 wrote: post #25

What is going on here with the comment section? Seems like it's flooded with pro ccp activists

I am European and not affiliated in any way with China. And don't want to whitewash them. Still, there is a double standard regarding China vs the Western World. While China gets (IMHO deserved) criticism for their territorial claims and human right abuse, the Iraq War (over 400k deaths) was "business as usual". The same goes with anti-pandemic restrictions - when it happens in China, it's an authoritarian rule. When…

We're not discussing the US, we're discussing the latest abuse of power by the CCP. That's where the link goes. Would you like to next make a false equivalence of US prison labor to slave labor in China? Because that's where this goes, every thread.

Submit a link of the US' latest atrocity to HN. A world of tolerance allows and accepts the stories of violence perpetrated by all actors. The reason you are seeing so many related to China is we have some new flagrant human rights abuse happening from the CCP every week, sometimes multiple times a week, that's why you see so many of these stories percolate to the top. Just two days ago, the CCP tore down the statue commemorating the Tiananmen Square massacre in Hong Kong. [1]

This is the screaming of the machine doing its work of control, every day of every week. The memories of them will be inhaled whole and exhaled as dust, a phantom of a thing that never truly existed.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59764029

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by beebeepka » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 2:05 PM UTC

learc83 wrote: post #156

whimsicalism wrote: post #137

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Where did you get this from? US hotels most definitely do not “register (resident or non-resident) guests with the local government”. A few states require hotel guests to present an ID at checkin.

How can you tell if a hotel registers you with the local government? I am not saying they are (never bothered to cross the Atlantic) but you have no way of knowing what they do.

My assumption is they all do, directly or not. I mean, 2013 did happen. Guess not everyone was paying attention

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 2:06 PM UTC

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #182

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #81

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The ICC has not yet prosecuted China [1]. One would have to be quite thick to ignore Beijing's wanton criminality in its west. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

Is the ICC part of the UN?

Sort of. The UN Security Council refers cases to the International Criminal Court for prosecution [1], and the ICC, both present and historical ad hocs, is a creature of it [2]. China isn’t a state party to the ICC, which limits its jurisdiction, and vetoes UN criticism of it, so pointing to either of these bodies as exonerations is tantamount to asking Beijing is the CCP is committing genocide.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_Internat...

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by pksebben » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 2:07 PM UTC

dijonman2 wrote: post #185

mlindner wrote: post #163

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What? The US doesn't require anyone to register with the local government when traveling, foreigner or US citizen. Where are you getting this kind of misinformation?

Chinese misinformation campaign?

going through whimsicalisms posts, and it's actually hard to build a picture of state-run propaganda. They talk about Taiwanese independence like it's a given, for example. This could possibly be a cultural misunderstanding.

Never attribute to malice etc.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by tjpnz » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 2:07 PM UTC

vfulco2 wrote: post #180

Decentralized web advancements will continue to punch holes.

You don't need web3 to punch holes in The Great Firewall of China. I've got a tech illiterate acquaintance living there right now and they regularly finds ways around it.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by darthrupert » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #77

darthrupert wrote: post #22

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To put it bluntly: Because we're better than them.

Does it make it better to make our workers compete with people without rights, healthcare, holidays, sustainable pay? I don't have any problem with China they can ban what they want, I would just desire that this open borders crap would require import only from countries where workers have a compatible standard of living of importing countries

I probably should have added the implied "in this particular way at least".

Also, the problems you describe don't affect all of the western world. And I would like to add, based on talking to a few chinese friends, those things are a problem in China as well. Competition in particular is quite brutal from kindergarten onwards there.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by sebow » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

meibo wrote: post #2

Note: this refers to the global Steam service/community - Valve still offers Steam China with a very limited/censored selection of mostly-Valve games, adhering to local child protection laws. Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead, as this Chinese version of Steam has only been available since February 2021.

Ok, this makes much more sense than the click-baity title, i already knew that to a degree.They'll probably never ban steam because it doesn't make sense, even if you are "PRC"