Steam has been banned in China • Hacker News Board

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by rndgermandude » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

tombh wrote: post #59

siva7 wrote: post #25

What is going on here with the comment section? Seems like it's flooded with pro ccp activists

I must offer another data point. I'm British, and often find myself in these threads criticising criticism of China. Not because I'm being paid by the CCP, but because I believe that mainstream anti-Chinese sentiment tells us more about the West's psychological struggles to come to terms with its own historically unprecedented imperial past, than it does about China itself.

Not being OK with the myriad of human rights abuses the Chinese government commits - sometimes "silently" and sometimes very opening and outright proudly - is just because I struggle with my own regions history? What the actual fuck... I have to call your "theory" what it is: stupid and dangerous - and whataboutism on top.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by philliphaydon » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

simonh wrote: post #51

rosndo wrote: post #39

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Standard practice anywhere you have Chinese people, most are perfectly reasonable but many are deeply indoctrinated nationalists. Unfortunately the rest aren’t willing or able to do anything about the genocide cheerleader squad.

The communist party party has successfully managed to associate love of China with loyalty to the party and government, and criticism of the party with being “anti-Chinese”. So being pro-democracy in Hong Kong is being anti-China, and opposing the ethnic and cultural suppression in Xinjiang is China hating. My wife is Chinese and we have a Chinese friend here in the UK we have to be careful what we say to. She gets u…

> We love China too, just not the communist party.

I lived in singapore for 10 years until recently moving to Taiwan, this is basically the view of everyone from China I met. “I love China but I hate the government, that’s why I left”

It’s a shame because the actions of the CCP are making people blame Chinese people. But the majority of people from China that I’ve met are awesome.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by dungPatrol » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

nowherebeen wrote: post #64

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #45

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You'll find the same with any article critical of China. The party is paying people (quite well) to defend China online. It's another kind of misinformation campaign.

There are definitely signs of them here. I have another thread that had someone trying to steer my comment into a East vs West argument just for mentioning China. It seems like they are trying to pick fights out of nowhere as if they are getting paid. And if you notice, they come at certain hours like there is suddenly a wave of them all at once.

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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by dragonelite » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

Wouldn't be surprised if tencent and others are going to launch their own app store. Tencent already partially did with the epic game store. Pull some string in China to block steams global edition to even out the fight for epic game store. Tencent owns like 40~48% of epic.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by okasaki » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

whycombinatore wrote: post #107

okasaki wrote: post #79

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Can you point me where to sign up to get paid to defend China online?

I checked, and you don't have sufficient social score.

I guess you mean my credit score/background check. We don't have a social score in the UK. Though I wouldn't be surprised it if something akin was secretly compiled by GCHQ et al.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by trasz » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

foverzar wrote: post #36

meibo wrote: post #2

Note: this refers to the global Steam service/community - Valve still offers Steam China with a very limited/censored selection of mostly-Valve games, adhering to local child protection laws. Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead, as this Chinese version of Steam has only been available since February 2021.

I really love how we all have an impression of China as a country without access to global internet, but then there are things like "Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead". Really makes you want to visit and see how this actually works for yourself. The more I read about China, the more unbelievably contradictive it gets.

There’s no contradiction if you understand that all those bans are on companies, not users. People just use VPN, like they did anyway, but for companies it means they have to comply with Chinese law to make money there.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by whimsicalism » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:22 PM UTC

arvigeus wrote: post #130

RealityVoid wrote: post #118

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I am surprised at what you say regarding the hosting of foreigners. My girlfriend was there for a couple of months and she didn't notice any such thing, and she actually rented a place with a couple of friends, also foreigners. Is this what you describe because of racism or because of government?

Depends on where she lived. Beijing, Shanghai and other first tier cities are ok for foreigners. The further away you get, the more blurry situation gets.

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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by qybaz » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

justbaker wrote: post #106

qybaz wrote: post #44

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You should be sceptical of all the news about China that come from the West.

> You should be sceptical of all the news about China that comes from China. Fixed it for you.

The average Joe in the West doesn't get absolutely any news directly from China, so I'm not sure of what you mean.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by robbedpeter » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

tombh wrote: post #59

siva7 wrote: post #25

What is going on here with the comment section? Seems like it's flooded with pro ccp activists

I must offer another data point. I'm British, and often find myself in these threads criticising criticism of China. Not because I'm being paid by the CCP, but because I believe that mainstream anti-Chinese sentiment tells us more about the West's psychological struggles to come to terms with its own historically unprecedented imperial past, than it does about China itself.

Neville Chamberlain had similar thoughts about Germany.

Perhaps when dictators start doing things like rounding up undesirables into camps and pushing ideological uniformity at the point of a gun the reasonable response is to condemn the behavior? It doesn't matter who's wearing the jackboots, it's despicable to appease, condone, or enable the ones stepping on the throats of human beings.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by severino » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

rosndo wrote: post #76

tombh wrote: post #59

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I must offer another data point. I'm British, and often find myself in these threads criticising criticism of China. Not because I'm being paid by the CCP, but because I believe that mainstream anti-Chinese sentiment tells us more about the West's psychological struggles to come to terms with its own historically unprecedented imperial past, than it does about China itself.

Have you ever spent time in China? If you had, I suspect you wouldn’t be writing this comment.

Most people criticizing China and the CCP in those forums haven't spent time in China either. I suspect many wouldn't even be able to place China on a map.