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Groupon IPO on hold

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Re: Groupon IPO on hold

#31
post #10

Maybe they can turn this around by offering their stock for 50% off normal ticker prices. Then surely people, having bought it once and discovered how awesome it is, will come back again and again to pay full price.

Cue flash of someone pitching "A daily deal site for investors"

Re: Groupon IPO on hold

#32
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>that have filled Groupon's pockets with over a billion in cash. Having 'cash on hand' is great but it seems that groupon owes more than they have by a considerable margin: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Groupon-is-Effectively-minyanv... Also that article says they have 208 million in cash, not nearly the 1.6 billion that you mention.

Revenue is also cash - before expenses [they are collecting this amount]. I'm not suggesting that Groupon's 'operations activities' aren't responsible for pulling/keeping them in the red. However, investors like Warren Buffet look for high-earning and unprofitable companies quite frequently to get involved with - companies like Groupon. Reason being, with some direction by a strong [/new] board of directors (majority…

That mentions revenues only, and you can't use that to translate directly to cash, they're not the same thing, you can't use those terms interchangeably.

If a company has 100K in revenues and 50K in expenses per month after one month they'll have 50K in cash, to give a very limited example.

So you have to take the revenues and reduce them by the burn rate to get an idea of how big groupons war chest really is.

According to groupons own filings they've got 208 million in the bank so they've spent a good 1.4 billion of that money they took in.

Of course 200+ million is still not exactly pocket change.

I don't quite follow the Warren Buffet link, his only comment on groupon as far as I know is that he said he'd read their IPO filing papers but that was about it.

Re: Groupon IPO on hold

#34
post #18

The investors/founders who took so much off the table, in their previous rounds, should put most of it back in, if they're so confident. For example, Mason cashed out about $28 million, and Lefkowsky about $382 million. Reinvesting most of that would speak louder than another 'quirky' bit of made-to-leak copywriting.

$382MM? Why did the investors consent to that? That's a lot more than is needed to stop worrying about the founders selling the company to keep paying their bills.

Re: Groupon IPO on hold

#35
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>that have filled Groupon's pockets with over a billion in cash. Having 'cash on hand' is great but it seems that groupon owes more than they have by a considerable margin: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Groupon-is-Effectively-minyanv... Also that article says they have 208 million in cash, not nearly the 1.6 billion that you mention.

Revenue is also cash - before expenses [they are collecting this amount]. I'm not suggesting that Groupon's 'operations activities' aren't responsible for pulling/keeping them in the red. However, investors like Warren Buffet look for high-earning and unprofitable companies quite frequently to get involved with - companies like Groupon. Reason being, with some direction by a strong [/new] board of directors (majority…

> Revenue is also cash

Please read an Accounting 101 textbook to learn why this isn't true.

Re: Groupon IPO on hold

#36
post #10

Maybe they can turn this around by offering their stock for 50% off normal ticker prices. Then surely people, having bought it once and discovered how awesome it is, will come back again and again to pay full price.

Plus they could book any such stock purchases as revenue. Profit problem solved! I love creative accounting.

Re: Groupon IPO on hold

#37
post #10

Maybe they can turn this around by offering their stock for 50% off normal ticker prices. Then surely people, having bought it once and discovered how awesome it is, will come back again and again to pay full price.

That won't work because they'll just attract the worst kind of cheapskate investor demographic, who'll move on to the next penny stock once the discount is expired.

> worst kind of cheapskate

Exactly (the OP was being sarcastic :)

Re: Groupon IPO on hold

#38
post #10

Maybe they can turn this around by offering their stock for 50% off normal ticker prices. Then surely people, having bought it once and discovered how awesome it is, will come back again and again to pay full price.

Upvoted because I'm jealous of your joke/truth-y-statement and I'm man enough to say it.

Re: Groupon IPO on hold

#39
post #34
post #18

The investors/founders who took so much off the table, in their previous rounds, should put most of it back in, if they're so confident. For example, Mason cashed out about $28 million, and Lefkowsky about $382 million. Reinvesting most of that would speak louder than another 'quirky' bit of made-to-leak copywriting.

$382MM? Why did the investors consent to that? That's a lot more than is needed to stop worrying about the founders selling the company to keep paying their bills.

Lefkowsky was already very rich before Groupon, there was never a worry he'd sell to pay his bills.

Re: Groupon IPO on hold

#40
They we're right to hold off on this IPO given the market volatility. Wall st (professional traders) loves to wait for the inevitable initial run up (by initial professional investors and retail clients), to sell it quickly after the initial surge. There is just way too much question on their actual current and future value. I wouldn't be surprised if this IPO never happens.
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